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calling all beings y'all

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hey

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welcome back to calling all beings man

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my

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also

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nathan

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and we have a special guest for you

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again tonight

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the ufog

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the legend texas own party people put

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your hands together

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for you and a full chain yes

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that's awesome that might be my favorite

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my most favorite intro ever

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yes

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right i just want to sing a song for you

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girlfriend

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how you doing

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i'm doing i'm doing awesome now yeah

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yeah the og for sure because it's it's

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not you a pj and that's what i always

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say and it never will be so i was i

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that's proof i was here

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i was i've been here i've been around

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for a little while you know before

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before it was popular you know

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absolutely exactly talking to fools like

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me who just come around and you're in

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the conversation you nothing you just

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got on the block well hey the thing is

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that i i have to you know we all have

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our own you know little things and so

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i'm just gonna yeah i'm gonna be the

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the old the old folk you know on the

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block you know that's my thing right so

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i'm gonna you know you guys don't you

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guys don't know about you know about the

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back in my day and stuff right you back

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in my date somebody yet because you

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right exactly i haven't changed now i

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got a lot yeah

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or i have a similar amount but

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i've been able to you know report on you

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the whole time so that's pretty awesome

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yeah yeah yeah yeah as you can see my

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thing is acting like a fool i'm actually

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quite adept at it uh i've had a lot of

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practice

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um so but no all kidding aside i'm gonna

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get serious now i want you guys to know

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this is a serious ufo program so serious

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and that just shows it i proved it right

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there

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okay

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yeah one thing you need to know about

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our show jane is that uh

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on our show i'm the latte and dj is the

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pumpkin spice

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that's just how it works around here

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get serious though nathan did i get

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serious when we were talking about

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rather's boy mickey uh west oh man i

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think you're super

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too serious

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not too soon no i meant you know i i can

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be serious but i think there's an

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appropriate time for everything and

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there is no topic

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that i could talk about that i wouldn't

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want to include some level of levity

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otherwise why am i doing it i might as

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well go cut the grass exactly i don't

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have grass but anyway um ufo jane uh

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it's a pleasure to have you man yeah and

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honorable thanks for having me yes it is

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an honor to have you uh there are so

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many topics that are going on uh uh an

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anjali update ross coltard's interview

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nathan i guarantee is super duper

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prepared and i'm gonna kind of go i

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don't i don't know that i am you guys

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might have to fill me in on

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some of the news but i'll i'll react

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you know what uh i i i suspect word

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nathan's gonna wanna go and he's going

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to say this more intelligently than i

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would but can you like sort of uh take

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us uh you know how you became involved

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and what made you become shall we say

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aliens being a real thing growing up

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just you know watched movies i i was a

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kid though so i do remember always

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thinking outside the box and feeling a

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little bit different

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and kind of lost in my own brain a lot

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growing up so it's kind of now thinking

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back and like why didn't i get to why

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didn't i get to the alien

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theory growing up you know uh so what

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happened though i had

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a journalism degree

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from ut austin you know here nearby and

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i was blogging about movie reviews and

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fashion and all those safe to write

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about things

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and i met a guy we started dating

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and he was the one who introduced me to

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ufos i mean obviously i knew what a ufo

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was but it was just that word to me it

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was this blank part of

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the cosmos i guess

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introduced me to everything i mean i

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think just like anybody

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who's into this field knows is once you

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discover that all of this is real you

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can't really undiscover that and so you

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know i mean i had a skill set i i liked

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writing and it's like how do you

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go blogging about like celebrity fashion

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ufos are showing up in your own home

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and none of the local i mean there were

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some good there's definitely been some

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local coverage for sure there's

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different journalists for example that

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will regularly reach out to me when

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there's a sighting so it's not that it's

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a total blackout but i mean pretty much

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there was no reporting going on of ufos

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being seen here in texas all the time

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and so i just kind of started

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organically reporting on it

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looking at twitter looking at youtube

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national ufo reporting outlet all that

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and archiving and documenting it

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on the web and eventually people then

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started to reach out to me with their

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own sightings and so it started to just

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snowball you know into what it is today

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so that's yeah that's pretty much how

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i mean that said that has to be like

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quite a journey from kind of just

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getting into it and then just watching

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it grow and grow and grow i mean what

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was it like for you when you know you're

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just sitting around one day in 2017 and

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this article hits the new york times and

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we were you kind of like finally like

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more people were paying attention or you

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know what was the reaction that they had

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oh yeah it was a super big deal and

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i can't say it was unanticipated though

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so i wouldn't have gone into this

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because we didn't think

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you know like my family and you didn't

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think that this was gonna end up

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somewhere so it was very clear to

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me

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and the guy dating who turned into my

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husband is very clear to me

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we had been going through this process

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as humans you know probably even before

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roswell so that that was clear and so

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your own the only inevitable conclusion

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you come to is that well this is gonna

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the truth is gonna come out there's

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nothing really new under the sun right

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and this will be a new story and this

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probably a political news story probably

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a divisive news story and so

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i kind of thought as a mom i was like

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well should i even report on something

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that clearly the government doesn't want

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me to report on i mean just i remember

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sometimes looking at ip addresses and it

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was like the defense department early on

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and i would get real spooked out you

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know about stuff like that um especially

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later i remember going through some like

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not wikileaks but some yeah maybe some

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something from wikileaks and

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reading some email chat or discussing

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you know different

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triangle ufos you know and that that's

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one of the main things you know i've

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been reporting on all these years

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it says kind of this weird thing where

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i'm reporting on this thing that's fake

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to most people

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and it's on the fringe but i kind of

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live in that

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anonymous world a bit

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but knowing that that would be over

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and that and so there was i just knew

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there was a limited window to research

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and learn and educate myself and educate

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others and for me even though yeah my

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hunches and aliens are out there and are

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visiting my goal really isn't so much

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uh to convince anybody to believe a

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particular thing but just to get them to

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think for themselves be educated but

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really more than anything just not freak

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out when this becomes a major news story

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that's something you really can't

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control because it's really going to be

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based on how they grew up what their

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belief system is because what's

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interesting uh harking back to something

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you said a little earlier is that once

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you learned about you said how could you

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not know about it and want to find out

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the truth and study more but yet you'll

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encounter people like alex dietrich and

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and and dave framer and others that have

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encountered it that are aware of it and

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they're not really interested in

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studying it so it means like there's a

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there's a group of us but not everybody

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it's interesting though about alex

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dietrich because she says that

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i almost but you see her by the way and

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i didn't i never got it it didn't work

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out um i think afghanistan happened

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right when we were and i was about to

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interview her so it just didn't work out

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and she's consumed with much more

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important things

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but yeah she says that but then she's

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the she shows up on ufo twitter

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constantly right and she's posting ufo

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books and art

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like okay so then what's going on here

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is she just pretending like she's not

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into this she just enjoys the community

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why would she enjoy the community if

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she's not into it

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so that that's interesting

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fraver and dietrich and what's

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interesting is i talked to gary voorhees

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who's the other tic-tac-ya-fa witness

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who's like total contrast right to those

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two just super down the rabbit hole like

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i'm wondering what briefings they have

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had or not had or what they're

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predicting for the future because i

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they know that it's okay to invest in

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this and to

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participate in this because if i think

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that they weren't interested and they

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didn't think that this was ets they

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would not be talking about it

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now fravor i think is more

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from i've not watched a ton of

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interviews with them

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but in my interview with gary voorhees

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um he's talking about how pilots

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have their own

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compartmentalizations and things that

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they know and don't know and their own

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worlds and then you know those on the

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ship i guess have you know have their

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own world and so there's a little bit of

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a separation

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and i don't want to i hate to say this

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because i don't mean no disrespect to

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anybody who served because especially

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somebody like me who's just really a

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chicken uh

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and um just need needs people to protect

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me so i mean no disrespect i appreciate

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everybody's service

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but i do think

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with disclosure coming we do have to

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confront

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that uh whether or not you're in the

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military um it doesn't make you

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the be-all know-wall of whether

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something happened or whether aliens are

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real and you have to accept that

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whatever your briefings are are going to

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be limited and wherever you are in the

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chain you have to accept that there's

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other people that are going to get

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different information than you and i

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think there's could potentially be a lot

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of

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insecurity and

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maybe even jealousy and competition

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between different groups and i think

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that can contribute to ufo denial

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because

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if you're in the military and you see

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ufo and they're telling you it's a

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weather balloon or they're telling you

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it's our own military craft

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you might want to believe that because

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you don't want to believe that you're

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being lied to and that some other person

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in the military they trust more

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to give that information and as i

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understand it the tic tac those ufos

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before fraver

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saw at least one those were being

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tracked already

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before and they were anticipated and him

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and alex dietrich were not looped into

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that so i think

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when we think about how why people don't

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want to talk about things it may not be

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because you're just not naturally as hu

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curious

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i think that's

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there's just

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i don't i just don't know that i've met

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a human being yet who have talked about

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this who isn't naturally curious about

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it i do meet people who are

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afraid to talk about it or embarrassed

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or things like that

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yeah i could tell you there's no way

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that i would have talked about it when i

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was flying because as i think i said on

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when i was on ucr with you that they

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would have said hey you don't need to go

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see the flight dock and by the way

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you're off the flying schedule but i

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actually us with regard to pilots

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because i am i'm a civilian pilot not a

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i was not a military pilot but i flew

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with military pilots and i'm gonna have

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on one who's not familiar with the topic

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and we had an hour and a half

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conversation about this

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his name's troy broskovitz he was air

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force special operations command pilot

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um someone highly skilled he actually

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was my classmate going through high

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school

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with chris lato and we're actually going

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to try to get another pilot on to kind

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of dig into that world and i could just

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tell you they don't

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know anything more that you know the

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only area of they they of expertise they

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have that nobody else has is when they

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see something in the air they know what

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they're looking at

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and what they're not looking for right

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totally people on ufo twitter that

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include mick west think that they know

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what they're looking at and what the

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systems are capable of and what the

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craft is capable of and they don't

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that's the only thing that they have

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that is different than everybody else i

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see this

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i'm trained i know what i'm looking at

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and

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that's the extent of it but as far as

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what you said the broader knowledge of

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what's out there or if they're be yeah

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they don't know anything more than

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anybody else then

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the researchers know that have spent

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years on this yeah

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well and i think it speaks to the fact

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that as well that everyone's kind of

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playing a part in this larger story

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right and so you've got people who have

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different aspects of this puzzle um the

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ufo community is sort of the one that is

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kind of

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taking these little nuggets and turning

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them over in in their hands and trying

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to

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you know see whatever the the pieces

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form you know what kind of what kind of

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picture is foreign from these different

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pieces of information but i think

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everybody has an important role to play

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and

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you know how i look at folks that i may

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not necessarily agree with you know

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maybe they have a viewpoint that i i may

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not it doesn't resonate with me or

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actually maybe have strongly disagree

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with it i still i still look at that

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from the lens of hey this is a piece of

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the larger story that we need to

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consider as we're forming our our

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picture and we need to take into account

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all of these different perspectives but

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jane i don't know what you think about

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that i mean you certainly hear a lot

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more yeah i mean i had nick west on and

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it i think people were expecting me to

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like spar with him and go after him and

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i really had no interest in doing that

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because he knows that all the time you

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know analyzing footage he's ready for

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that i didn't think we'd get anywhere

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with that so it was more just talking

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about um

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the load of motivations and predictions

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and things like that

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and the thing is like mick west keeps

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everybody on

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their toes so it does make i mean every

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it's almost like it's a little

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uh mick west

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like little devil you know on every ufo

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researcher's shoulder that's just like

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what would mick west say about this and

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how can you why is that a bad thing tell

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me why that's a bad thing is mick west

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stop stop being disclosed but but let me

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is mick west stop disclosure he only

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gets people to talk about ufos more to

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watch the videos more to dissect the

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evidence more to debate it he's done

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nothing to stop it in my opinion he's

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only

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every researcher tighten up

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you know their theories if you met let's

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say you have a piece of technology right

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like you

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if you're smart right you hire a team to

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try to break it and you know hack into

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it i've worked on websites that's what

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you do you try to you know you do a new

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release you

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stress test it yeah so if you just think

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of mick west as a stress test

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um there are people who i think are

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could be harmful to disclosure and i

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just don't think that he's one of them

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you know yet

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they could change

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he's kind of like a human algorithm

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right he's kind of uh you know he's he's

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throwing his perspective against

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everything that the community puts out

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there

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and because of that and and dj i know

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you've got some thoughts on this i know

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you want to get in on it but because of

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that

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uh whenever the

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uh the video that comes out that will be

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the end-all be-all you know like the the

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legit video

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like he you'll know like when he's on

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board when that happens like

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there's no discussion there's no more

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discussion

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no

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it doesn't require him to be real i'm

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not saying he's going to be the uh he's

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going to be the seal of approval but i

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i know it now no i understand that but

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if you can convince him

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uh that it's legitimate after all the

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all the hard work and the hoops that he

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jumps through to try to to try to

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disprove something then i think it has

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an extra air of validity for those that

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sympathize with his perspective and that

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that wouldn't be most of us in this in

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this room are in the community i think

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well let me say this first of all there

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are a lot to do

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somebody contacted me the other day and

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said

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hey can you uh i have a ufo video that i

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want to show you and i said you know

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i'll be honest with you i said

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i'm not that's not me i can't analyze

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the video and tell you if it's real

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that's mick west that i would forward

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that to midwest

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if you

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determine that it's real and i look at

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it or read an account of it and i can

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evaluate the aviation characteristics

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that's my expertise but not determining

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if it's real i'm sorry that is a super

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brilliant guy that's mick west

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but what i disagree with him on is i

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think he's intellectually dishonest in

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his approach i think he's proven that in

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the interviews when he's had lou on his

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show the way he responded to

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lou's retorts

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with the evidence that brew

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lou brought to the table i think he was

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like that with chris lato and i think he

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pretends to be an impartial jurist when

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in fact he's not if you want to see an

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impartial jurist then go look at is

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stephen cambion that is an actual

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skeptic who's coming at this from an

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honest perspective mick is not and

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that's and he also

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he says to people chad underwood you

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didn't fly you made mistakes and you're

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flying you made mistakes in your

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operation of the athlear sensor and i've

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explained to nathan ad nauseam and the

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pilots will probably explain it on our

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podcast better than i can

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he has absolutely zero

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credential to say i have zero credential

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to say that any pilot from a weapon

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system that i i'm not flying and

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qualified on

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that he's flying it incorrectly or made

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mistakes does that mean people don't

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that these guys don't make mistakes okay

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the airplane i flew on they built only

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24 compared to we have 180 some odd

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f-16s they built 24 of the airplanes

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that i flew on we crashed four every

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single one of them was the fault of the

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crew

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so yes we make mistakes what mick is not

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qualified on a 41 second video to tell

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chad underwood because he's not a flight

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instructor on fa18 and he's not a flight

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examiner so he's intellectually

558
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,400
dishonest and he's overly critical

559
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,600
without

560
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,960
so his credit

561
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,720
his credibility goes in the toilet when

562
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,880
he does that he looks like an idiot

563
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,559
saying that when you you don't know what

564
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,320
you're talking about right he should

565
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,640
stick to the stuff that he knows yeah

566
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,000
and you know

567
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,320
right absolutely and and like all roads

568
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,120
don't have to lead to mick west right so

569
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,640
there's a lot of other perspectives in

570
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,960
the community too that are skeptical and

571
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,480
i think that

572
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,760
you know jane i don't know what your

573
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,120
thoughts on this are but i think it has

574
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,720
to be a community that welcomes

575
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,039
perspective you know it has to welcome

576
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:15,120
different perspective and because it's

577
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,320
those different perspectives that are

578
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,720
going to challenge all of us to really

579
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,960
refine our thinking and and be

580
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,960
uh more honest with you know challenge

581
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,799
our beliefs right and so we need to make

582
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,280
sure that the table is set for a wide

583
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,400
variety of opinions and and perspectives

584
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,840
on that but jane i don't know what you

585
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,080
think about that

586
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:36,080
oh yeah i mean

587
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,320
i suppose any topic that's gonna impact

588
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,480
the whole globe

589
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,440
should be a group conversation and not

590
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:46,960
be exclusive

591
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,480
but i definitely think this one

592
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,039
it is above everybody's head if there's

593
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,360
any people in the military listening

594
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,480
right now

595
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,120
who've been given briefings about aliens

596
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,280
who've seen aliens or heard stories

597
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,320
about aliens at this point roswell's

598
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,720
you know long past

599
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,600
uh

600
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,640
you should still question if it's true

601
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,679
you should

602
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,480
like i mean i i like to think about it

603
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,159
like this right so let's say there's a

604
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,320
gray alien that gives a press conference

605
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,159
tomorrow you can touch it and it's

606
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,240
physically there and they say i'm from

607
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,360
zeta reticuli and there's you know 33

608
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,400
other species

609
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,360
is that disclosure no that i mean it is

610
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,200
disclosure

611
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,640
right i suppose we'll see um

612
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,840
but the questions don't stop like to

613
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,039
think that

614
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:40,880
this

615
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,679
the universe are humans the latest form

616
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,200
of evolution

617
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,440
where did we come from

618
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,880
that this is

619
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,760
some

620
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,720
story book that's already been closed by

621
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,799
you know some secret

622
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,640
you know some group of people in a

623
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,640
secret board room

624
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,240
i think

625
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,120
and so yeah so it has to have as many

626
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,280
voices in this as possible and it has to

627
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:10,640
include all the witnesses and frankly

628
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:15,200
this topic is so above us and beyond us

629
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,200
that in some ways hearing just a kid

630
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,520
throw out their perspective on it who's

631
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,760
just who you know has never seen any

632
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,200
lands but also

633
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:26,799
maybe doesn't know a ton about science

634
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,919
yet have their perspective might be just

635
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,520
as valuable

636
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:33,919
and again no disrespect is alex

637
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,880
dietrich's you know experience in in the

638
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,480
uh

639
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,320
the aircraft you know when they saw the

640
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,440
tic tac

641
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,159
so yeah i can't think of a topic more

642
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,880
deserving of everybody's

643
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,799
take on it because i do think this is

644
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,320
beyond

645
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,840
just basic human iq and government

646
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,760
briefings this is

647
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,440
where we're at we don't even know what

648
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,120
question we're asking

649
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,360
right well and dispelling the notion

650
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,600
that we're going to somehow arrive at a

651
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,919
full conclusion right and i think that

652
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,320
that is um i think that that's not we're

653
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,200
not doing ourselves justice by

654
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,480
believing that that is what it

655
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:14,400
disclosure means and the way you put it

656
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,919
was so articulate but we we can't arrive

657
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,600
at a full conclusion we and honestly we

658
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,200
don't we don't want a full conclusion

659
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,840
because life is about the next mystery

660
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,520
you know we want we want to be we don't

661
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,919
have a clear understanding but not full

662
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,440
clarity and i don't think full clarity

663
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,200
is even achievable

664
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,679
yeah i agree i would fun would that be

665
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,880
right exactly i actually um i actually

666
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,039
agree with you i'm 100

667
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,600
everybody needs to be at the table and

668
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
and like you said even a middle school

669
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,279
kid who's pondered this might come up

670
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,120
with a theory that's gonna affect them

671
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,960
more than us too

672
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,960
they're inheriting whatever we decide to

673
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,039
do right now with all this

674
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,720
disclosure stuff

675
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,919
yeah and what we're doing with the

676
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,600
environment but that's another story but

677
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,679
uh i'm not sure yeah i'm sure it'll be

678
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,120
i'm sure they'll i'm sure it'll be

679
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,440
related i'm sure it wouldn't yeah yeah

680
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,679
probably people try to connect it yeah

681
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,279
and i do it by the way i just want to

682
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,960
say for the audience i am happy that

683
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,279
mick west is part of this community and

684
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,600
i want him to be part of it but i'm just

685
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,159
like he says he claims that he's being

686
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:18,640
honest i'm going to be honest about

687
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,000
his specific aspects of his commentary

688
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,120
uh and the veracity of of his claims but

689
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,279
uh but other than that i'm happy to have

690
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,080
all voices uh here including folks that

691
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,159
are conspiracy theorists the other thing

692
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,840
i want to give you a data point

693
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,520
regarding that might give you some

694
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,799
insight into what um

695
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,960
air crew are being told or people in the

696
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,400
military are being told

697
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,159
and i can tell you i've had the

698
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,960
opportunity over the last three years to

699
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,200
interface with crew members from every

700
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,440
single weapon system in air force

701
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,919
special ops command only so that means

702
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:55,600
not fighter guys

703
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,960
not um strategic command bomber guys but

704
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,799
af socks and maybe let's say seven or

705
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,480
eight different weapon systems

706
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,840
not one

707
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,840
has and when i asked him about this

708
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,279
topic which by the way i have to wait

709
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,120
for just the right moment to do that so

710
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,600
i don't look like an idiot

711
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,840
and not one of them has heard anything

712
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,000
been briefed anything no rules of

713
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,039
engagement anything about ufos so if not

714
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,559
they're not being told they're fake

715
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,400
they're not being told anything is what

716
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,880
i'm i'm telling you yeah this news i

717
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,880
work for the air force today

718
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,520
yeah yeah well look her i don't

719
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:34,240
my feeling just from a civilian

720
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,200
right

721
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,279
is that there was a time when there were

722
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,159
physical crashes and contact

723
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,760
and there were people who had to be

724
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:44,320
briefed and saw things but that

725
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,200
and then

726
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,880
they

727
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,960
you know if their et's changed up their

728
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,240
tactics

729
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,400
and the visitations did become a little

730
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,840
bit less you know where you don't have

731
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,000
those physical traces of evidence of

732
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,799
abductions and things like that you know

733
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,880
maybe there's more remote drought you

734
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,480
know they have why wouldn't they have

735
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,279
drones right just like us

736
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,559
uh

737
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,679
tic tac i think so maybe there isn't

738
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,039
that may not be happening in the

739
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,240
military anymore which might be

740
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,440
that's my guess of why this is happening

741
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,840
now it's not that it's not because it's

742
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,279
harmed along

743
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,039
i don't you know i don't i just don't

744
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,960
believe that and unfortunately it's not

745
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,880
because of any of these

746
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:29,520
people who've contributed to to

747
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,960
disclosure it's because

748
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,640
a lot of people have died

749
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:36,159
who uh

750
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,200
held the scene

751
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,120
yeah who held the secret and so now it

752
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,360
does give

753
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,919
current people in the military a true

754
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,080
honest chance

755
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,919
to explore this with the public

756
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,039
and

757
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,120
for those who you know are aware of this

758
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,039
darker history

759
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,559
to hang out in the background a little

760
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,399
bit i think that there could be some

761
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,240
with really good intentions who are

762
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,240
pushing this along but we just have to

763
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,559
keep in mind that that old guard was

764
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:05,520
there

765
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,200
legacy from that you know relics from

766
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,559
that and how do we

767
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,080
how are we not going to make all the

768
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,039
same mistakes again um if we're naive

769
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,520
and we just again just believe

770
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,760
everything that the grey alien tells us

771
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,480
in a press conference tomorrow we are we

772
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,559
are worse shape

773
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:26,880
than we were before disclosure and that

774
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,919
that's what i fear is we're to just be

775
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,440
given a new

776
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,039
a new

777
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,880
normal

778
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:37,120
that is you know has the national you

779
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,159
know

780
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,200
maybe has our national security

781
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,840
our best interest in mind but it's the

782
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,640
truth what's being sought here

783
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,279
yeah i mean i i have this hunch that

784
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,120
folks like lou elizondo have good

785
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,480
intentions

786
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:54,159
and

787
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,799
know want the truth to come out

788
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,279
but i have to always you know know that

789
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,000
there was an agenda that was appears to

790
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,559
be put in place a long time ago and it's

791
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,880
just continuing to be executed sure

792
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,440
there's momentum from that uh plan

793
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,360
essentially that is we're still kind of

794
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,679
it's spinning down in a way and and i

795
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,720
guess i've i've always thought too with

796
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
the recent sort of people that have come

797
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,799
forward you know the lose and the crisis

798
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,840
and those kind of folks it doesn't

799
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:27,840
require uh some sort of master

800
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,960
orchestrated um you know plan between

801
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,880
those guys to kind of push a certain

802
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,440
thing it really just has to unfold on

803
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,399
its own and if you if if you understand

804
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,960
the way that um you know these

805
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,120
government agencies work and that these

806
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,360
individuals work you know like if you

807
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,440
know if you understand who lou elizondo

808
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,720
is as a as an investigator and as as a

809
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,919
professional

810
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:53,440
all you need that's all you need to know

811
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,159
like

812
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,240
he'll he'll do what lou elizondo is

813
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,440
going to do

814
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,600
and and he's he doesn't need a some sort

815
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
of a master scheme you just you know

816
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,360
kind of point him in a direction he's

817
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,279
going to do the louis zondo thing and

818
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,000
well look at me good yeah i mean nobody

819
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,360
has put me up to investigating ufos and

820
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,840
and and helping i guess to get people

821
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,080
ready before disclosure right that's why

822
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,640
i put myself up to that that i was

823
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,799
taking cues that i think were being

824
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,000
given to me indirectly

825
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:26,000
by

826
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,559
soft disclosures that were happening you

827
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,520
know before 2017 everybody is picking up

828
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,440
cues from each other

829
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,240
look

830
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,440
there are masonic societies and lodges

831
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,000
and these old these groups that go back

832
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,880
and they have they do believe in and

833
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,360
certain things that you're very much

834
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,120
ancient alien z

835
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:53,840
and so there's very much a group

836
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,760
conscious uh effort um that's happening

837
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,399
here to again kind of group

838
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,360
disclose this and and kind of get into

839
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:06,080
our own roles here so yeah i know it it

840
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,360
never has

841
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120
when you know when people

842
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,960
you know will say like well how how can

843
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,880
you say that you know louis lazonda or

844
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,200
you know xyz could be a you know

845
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,360
government agent with an agenda and you

846
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,960
know accuse him being so evil and stuff

847
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:21,120
and it's it's not that way i mean it's

848
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,919
just

849
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,080
um i remember complicated yeah i

850
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,840
remember when i first

851
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,559
you know when you do or at least at ut

852
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,840
austin when i studied journals was a

853
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,919
very renowned journalism school so i

854
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,120
think that my

855
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,960
education was pretty good walter

856
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,279
cronkite you know came from there um the

857
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,960
first thing you the first thing you

858
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,440
learn is that journalism

859
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,360
it was invented because it was

860
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,840
propaganda it was not invented to tell

861
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,519
us the truth that was about the purpose

862
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,440
of journalism right

863
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,679
uh it was yellow journalism you know

864
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,840
that that's the birth of it it's to

865
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,880
control the information you know that

866
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,440
people get you know and

867
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,279
you know the benefit whomever and it

868
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,399
doesn't you can be uh

869
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,159
journalists just graduate from

870
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,320
university and go work at a newspaper

871
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,559
and you just signed up for that system

872
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,760
and it's not that it's in your head to

873
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,679
lie but there's going to be stories you

874
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,679
can report on stories you can't report

875
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,039
on you're going to either be able to

876
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,399
keep your job or not i just got to

877
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,799
go that route and be just totally

878
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,360
independent you know and you know google

879
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,000
you can't find texas ufo sightings.com

880
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,080
on google unless you

881
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,240
you know look really really really hard

882
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,159
you used to be able to find it

883
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,880
so you know that's there are some really

884
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,240
big um

885
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,519
you know i understand how the google

886
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:44,159
algorithm works so i understand how the

887
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,039
google

888
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
algorithm not

889
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,480
there doesn't have to be an individual

890
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,480
person that's right working for the

891
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,640
government that looked at my website and

892
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:54,320
said okay well you know when disclosure

893
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,279
happens and everybody's reason we're

894
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,360
searching for ufos in texas we don't

895
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,159
want

896
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,080
the you know one of the few websites

897
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:01,679
that's reporting on it to show up we

898
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,440
want old cnn articles to show up about

899
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,200
real unrelated things that's what

900
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,440
happened that's the google algorithm

901
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,320
that doesn't have to be a person that

902
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,880
decided to make that decision that was a

903
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,960
swooping algorithm change that probably

904
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,200
affected me and a bunch of other

905
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,039
sure blockers

906
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,799
so that you know that happened right

907
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,240
kind of before uh right around or after

908
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,399
i guess i should say

909
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,559
this became

910
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,720
more of a mainstream

911
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,880
talk people like me got into it i can't

912
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,159
just say it

913
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,320
to say it okay see the thing is i knew

914
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,080
it was gonna happen see that's what i

915
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,880
mean there was a lot of i'm pouting now

916
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,640
yeah i mean that's just the game that's

917
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,200
the game that i've chosen to play is i

918
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,919
didn't i didn't want to

919
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:50,840
write

920
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,240
stories that had were missing

921
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,799
great you know pieces of information or

922
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,559
i didn't want to not be able to write

923
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,480
stories i wanted to write so i have to

924
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,519
deal with

925
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,360
you know things like

926
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,640
facebook um yeah i know for a while

927
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,480
even if i don't know if this is true

928
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,520
anymore

929
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,679
but i know for a while that let's say

930
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,399
that there was a ufo story and um a

931
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,560
president was involved right

932
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,599
and

933
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,760
right so if i were to report on that by

934
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,760
the way i'm gonna do the best freaking

935
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,960
reporting

936
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,000
on and i only ever report on

937
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,560
you know ufo things is related i am not

938
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,760
a political

939
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,079
youtube channel and never will be

940
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,560
mark my words um but

941
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,240
if a president or politician says

942
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,000
something about ufos i'm definitely do

943
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,000
my due diligence as a reporter and i'd

944
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,000
like to think that me and other

945
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,159
researchers do a really good job at that

946
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,240
whereas the mainstream media just never

947
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,879
provides context right but basically

948
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,720
facebook would say

949
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,520
because i'm not a political outlet

950
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,280
if i were to write a story

951
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,040
commenting on any of these things i

952
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,760
would not be allowed to advertise it and

953
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,720
on facebook you really cannot be seen

954
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,160
unless you're advertising that's just

955
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,560
the game again that's not a single men

956
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,960
and black character out to get me

957
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:11,280
that's just the algorithm

958
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,800
and so yeah this luelzando i'm not

959
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,280
picturing some evil

960
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,240
um shady character lying to us i just

961
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:21,839
got to talk to him for the big phone

962
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,800
home it was a really a great interview

963
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,760
and

964
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:28,000
he i think he was as transparent as he's

965
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,599
a legally

966
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,119
you know allowed to be

967
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,200
right and so that's just kind of all i

968
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,599
know so far but he's definitely part of

969
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,560
a bigger system and just just to think

970
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,160
that

971
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,760
i i don't know we all just i guess have

972
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:43,599
to accept that we're all

973
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,720
all kind of part of this this beehive

974
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,480
exactly mick said he should just

975
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,560
disclose and then go to jail so i don't

976
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,079
know why he doesn't lou doesn't just

977
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,000
tell everything he knows i mean what's

978
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,760
what's you know jumpsuit i think he'd

979
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,599
look okay

980
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,040
anyway

981
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,880
getting back to it i was interested in

982
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,359
something else two things you said one

983
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,800
thing that i thought about once thing

984
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,960
you said that interested me earlier

985
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,480
there was a little nugget there and i

986
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,520
was able to dig it out with my nail file

987
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,000
and it was about the um

988
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,240
it was about see i look like dr evil

989
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,160
it's only terrible

990
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:19,839
but you can just call me noob from now

991
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:24,160
on n-u-b any any wb but uh anyways

992
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,960
um

993
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,839
you said about ip addresses that you had

994
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,240
traced see nathan oh yeah you didn't

995
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,520
think i was paying attention didn't you

996
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,440
nate yeah that was way weird

997
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,520
that was just way back that was so long

998
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,359
ago and i mean i can think i can tell

999
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:38,839
you lots of random little things like

1000
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,599
that meant nothing led to nothing well i

1001
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,320
mean i don't do those things but how to

1002
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,480
bounce back and google analytics i

1003
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,680
actually don't think they allow that

1004
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,599
anymore i don't think you can look at ip

1005
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,040
addresses anymore actually that's i

1006
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,200
think they removed that due to privacy

1007
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,280
so many years ago but early on you could

1008
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,880
see ip addresses who's visiting your

1009
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,040
website honestly i don't know what led

1010
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,480
me down that trail but there was

1011
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,720
something that

1012
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,800
read i don't remember really what led me

1013
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,320
down that trail

1014
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,480
and it's just it's a foggy memory but

1015
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,800
it's one of those just kind of to i just

1016
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,480
remember the feeling i had when i saw

1017
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,240
that so that's why that story came up

1018
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,560
and i can think of lots of different

1019
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,640
things and it's not even so much that i

1020
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,359
was certain that that was anything

1021
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,920
it was was more just i knew that i was

1022
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,520
reporting on something that they didn't

1023
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,440
want me to report on

1024
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,359
so when things like that happen you know

1025
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,160
you don't want to be stupid either so i

1026
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,000
also didn't want to be naive you don't

1027
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,000
be crazy and assume a car is following

1028
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,320
you but you also don't want to be naive

1029
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,320
you know i've had in the rear view yeah

1030
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,480
i mean look at their stories i don't

1031
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,200
continue for a reason so so what like

1032
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,760
nathan said it's not that any but

1033
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,520
anybody's ever said you can't report on

1034
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,599
the story to me yet maybe that will

1035
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,040
happen in the future i don't think at

1036
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,720
this point well maybe i'll get a really

1037
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,079
great

1038
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,040
sighting or whatever and i'll get a men

1039
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,079
in black visit um there you go yeah

1040
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,520
right

1041
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,280
the second half of that was what's your

1042
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,200
take on mj12 like what's your oh yeah

1043
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,400
so here's the thing about mj12 majestic

1044
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:15,040
12 all of that

1045
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:22,550
sign of some kind of

1046
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,000
weird cover-up psyop that you could

1047
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,119
possibly like of all

1048
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,280
the things out there and so i mean when

1049
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,359
we talk about this old guard when we

1050
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,440
talk about a lot of these

1051
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,599
almost obvious conclusions and you

1052
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,400
realize there's never any pro any physic

1053
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,400
like there's never any evidence for any

1054
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,280
of it

1055
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,320
and my take is that the more likely the

1056
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,240
greater likelihood

1057
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,800
you know if let's say you know all that

1058
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,200
you just do like a venn diagram or a

1059
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,359
logic flow of the likelihood that aliens

1060
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,119
are here and are visiting right let's

1061
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,520
say you get to yes right which a lot of

1062
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,760
us have gotten there okay

1063
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,520
now we need to look at the world as if

1064
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,760
that answer is yes and not as if that

1065
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,119
world that answer is no

1066
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,480
so

1067
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,480
what we can conclude is that yes they

1068
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:15,440
have visited and yes this has been the

1069
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,359
most covered up lied about

1070
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,720
phenomenon

1071
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,000
that you know we can think of

1072
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,960
right so much more likely is that there

1073
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,000
have been photos of aliens there have

1074
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,160
been videos there have been

1075
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,800
organizations like the majestic 12.

1076
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,560
there have been documents and they

1077
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,400
haven't leaked they have gotten out and

1078
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,920
that in fact

1079
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,240
the moment that a top secret document is

1080
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,680
created or a ufo photo is found that

1081
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,320
there would be immediate protocol that

1082
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,000
would have been practiced by the way

1083
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,960
even you know since roswell and refined

1084
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,240
to this day

1085
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,920
that would be immediately enacted it

1086
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,640
would be more serious than anything else

1087
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,520
i mean

1088
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,280
think of all the things you know that

1089
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,040
the government's able to keep

1090
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,760
keep secret and this this would be

1091
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:06,640
um

1092
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,640
just think about what i would do

1093
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,480
and you know if i didn't want this to

1094
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,000
come out if i was terrified of this

1095
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,480
coming out like my life depended on it

1096
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,800
of this coming out right and i there was

1097
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,319
a ufo photo that was out there that i

1098
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,440
knew was real

1099
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,240
i would recreate that photo

1100
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,200
um

1101
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,000
and create fake versions of that photo

1102
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,640
i would leak that to journalists

1103
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,720
and and tell them the real story and

1104
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,839
then i would

1105
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,839
make sure that those fake photos got

1106
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,359
lots of attention

1107
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,359
right meanwhile i would try to scrub

1108
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,640
every

1109
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,640
uh version of that real photo from the

1110
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,200
internet and all i'll say is um you used

1111
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
to be able to find a lot more videos a

1112
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,880
lot more photos

1113
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,520
a lot more files i'm sitting on files

1114
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,280
that have never been officially leaked

1115
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,040
by the government but that i've been

1116
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,240
able to

1117
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:00,640
kind of connect the dots and kind of

1118
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,920
verify like there's files out of hungary

1119
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,160
that and obviously it could be total bs

1120
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,000
hoax get that that's

1121
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,359
you know the number one thing i was

1122
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,800
trying to prove

1123
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:13,040
um but i wasn't able to prove that i was

1124
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,839
actually

1125
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,800
found

1126
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,720
evidence otherwise so these documents

1127
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,280
that detail a crash

1128
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:21,280
with the hungarian pilot

1129
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,359
and a grey alien that they recovered

1130
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,160
and uh were keeping in a facility and

1131
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,680
that they were kind of concerned about

1132
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,520
because it was i think quiet so they

1133
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,680
were concerned about it being telepathic

1134
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,240
they also followed um

1135
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,480
the witnesses and

1136
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,280
recorded what they were doing

1137
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,000
and this was hungry in the 90s and the

1138
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,560
only reason i know about this is because

1139
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,520
being on the internet a while ago

1140
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,680
and there was a hungarian researcher

1141
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,160
that leaked the files to move on and to

1142
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,960
their website and so i went and found it

1143
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,119
translated as much as i could

1144
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,119
and then was able to confirm that the

1145
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:03,839
actual crash that's listed in the

1146
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,839
documents was a real crash with the real

1147
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,200
pilot that i could

1148
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:11,119
completely separately confirm obviously

1149
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:12,319
the public

1150
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,480
uh exam uh reason for the crash was not

1151
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:19,200
that i think it was just some plain uh

1152
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,960
malfunction that pilot actually was um

1153
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,480
dishonorably

1154
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,640
discharged or you know stopped flying at

1155
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,280
that that after that point so there was

1156
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,960
so it's like what can i and i you know i

1157
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,560
have been trying to find people in

1158
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,000
hungary to help me but you know that's

1159
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,920
hard it's a big language barrier if any

1160
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,599
i say this all the time if there's

1161
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,680
anybody in that part of the world that

1162
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,119
could help me

1163
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,760
you know learn more about this um

1164
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,319
you know that that's hungry

1165
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,880
yeah what don't you know that

1166
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,200
first of all relative to this incident

1167
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,359
what do you know and what don't you know

1168
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,040
and then we could work on what you don't

1169
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,440
sure yeah the hungry one specifically

1170
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
yes please yeah so man i wish i had it

1171
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,680
up here i haven't i'd go back to it

1172
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,280
every once in a while i haven't lately

1173
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,359
it's been been a little while before it

1174
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,000
when i initially like dove in

1175
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,079
um i mean yeah i mean those basic facts

1176
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,839
of the case are you know or what what

1177
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,760
the files uncover and i think the

1178
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,000
biggest just kind of thing to verify is

1179
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,160
that the the crash was real the pilot

1180
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,560
was real the overall timing and

1181
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,480
things around the documents were real

1182
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,880
and there was no

1183
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,680
no known hoaxer there was nobody talking

1184
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,680
about this this was not

1185
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,040
i don't want to say even name this is

1186
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,720
not a conspiracy

1187
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,880
that anybody knew about it was just

1188
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,920
files

1189
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,599
that these hungarian researchers said

1190
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,119
that they were leaking

1191
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,040
and somebody must have i wish that i

1192
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,280
knew who came across them

1193
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,720
you know who found them you know that

1194
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,560
would obviously help me

1195
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,520
to verify them i'm not used to looking

1196
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,240
at hungarian top secret documents but i

1197
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,520
you probably need to talk to somebody

1198
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,680
you know who's who is used to looking at

1199
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,000
those and could could compare it because

1200
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,839
it's different than obviously the ones

1201
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,040
we have

1202
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,880
you know here in america

1203
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,280
so yeah so there's there's more to

1204
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,119
uncover for sure in that case you know

1205
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,880
and that's just that's just one example

1206
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,720
though right so it's just

1207
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,920
i'm amazed i find i find out new cases

1208
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,359
all the time

1209
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,240
okay if this isn't real i should be done

1210
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,240
finding out about new cases with really

1211
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,000
compelling evidence

1212
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,920
if this is real and it's been covered up

1213
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,000
that explains why i'm still finding out

1214
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,839
about new cases and evidence all the

1215
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,079
time and there's just this constant

1216
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,240
cover-up

1217
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,400
something's here i think that's been

1218
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,319
pretty much pretty something's here and

1219
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,040
they've definitely lied about it i think

1220
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,760
yes i have this feeling okay you know

1221
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,000
the the gray alien

1222
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:48,800
oh i'm bad at this

1223
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,990
but like i i definitely am with like

1224
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,599
numbers and certain things it's amazing

1225
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:01,760
i'll just like flip stuff so that that

1226
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,470
i put myself on the spot

1227
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,400
yeah so i have a feeling that there's

1228
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,000
something to the grey alien whatever

1229
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,240
that is but again like i think at a

1230
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,760
certain point we might just need to

1231
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,359
accept that

1232
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,280
we might just die

1233
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,240
not really knowing what this is because

1234
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,200
this may not be physical aliens coming

1235
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
from one planet to us it really may not

1236
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,280
be that

1237
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,880
this this could be

1238
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,040
this could be us this could be another

1239
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,839
breakaway civilization this this could

1240
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,640
some this could be somehow

1241
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,760
man-made this phenomenon right but i

1242
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,760
don't believe it's one that our military

1243
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,319
members today like you're saying are in

1244
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,040
on or that we're all in on

1245
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,640
so um

1246
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,160
yeah the cover-up the evidence for the

1247
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,839
cover-up is strong

1248
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,760
i don't think we can deny that right

1249
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,720
totally well i mean what's your take on

1250
00:46:04,470 --> 00:45:59,520
the

1251
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,480
has been doing i mean so you know one of

1252
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,520
the questions i ask myself is um

1253
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,200
you know here's a guy who's got a story

1254
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:10,880
to tell and he's been telling a little

1255
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,760
bit more over the years but

1256
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,760
the guy is like he's never stopped the

1257
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,839
roadshow i mean the roadshow

1258
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,560
it just keeps going right and so to me

1259
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:21,440
there's

1260
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,839
his outreach and and i wonder if it is

1261
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,280
if the intended effect is

1262
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:34,240
is to raise the level of awareness uh

1263
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,359
you know sort of

1264
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,160
as much as he possibly can so like if

1265
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,960
his in one of his jobs and and maybe

1266
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,880
this kind of goes against what i said

1267
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,800
earlier but maybe one of his jobs is to

1268
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,839
just

1269
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,480
increase the size of the platform you

1270
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,280
know so so it's expand the the scope and

1271
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,680
i and i wonder that because as you've

1272
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,760
pointed out the

1273
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,359
there's sort of um

1274
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,800
it's kind of a chicken and egg problem

1275
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,359
in a way like do we have a a disclosure

1276
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,079
event you know the the classic white you

1277
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,480
know saucer on the white house lawn and

1278
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,640
life is is different on on you know

1279
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,560
tomorrow than it was yeah yes yesterday

1280
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,720
or do we have a kind of uh

1281
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,119
a frog you know boiling in the kettle

1282
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,599
situation or do we eventually kind of

1283
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,920
raise the level of awareness in in the

1284
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:21,839
world to a point where

1285
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,599
society at large is is ready to come to

1286
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,520
grips with this and i think a lot of you

1287
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,559
know there are a lot of folks who

1288
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,839
probably are

1289
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,599
you know at this place you know where

1290
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,440
it's like okay yeah we get it i mean the

1291
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,200
universe is big we're not alone we're

1292
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,800
not probably not the smartest

1293
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,480
intelligence out there so like this

1294
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,880
won't be like earth shattering per se

1295
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:43,599
but there's also huge swaths of the

1296
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:44,559
world

1297
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:48,079
yeah who who hold some you know pretty

1298
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,200
traditional

1299
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,000
uh classic beliefs and the and and these

1300
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,400
people by the way also have access to

1301
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,200
very destructive uh you know weaponry so

1302
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,760
they could do some real damage if this

1303
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,480
were to kind of hit them existentially

1304
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,760
and all of a sudden you know they're not

1305
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:05,040
not sure what to do with it so i don't

1306
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,559
know what you think about excuse me

1307
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,319
about about that like do we need to

1308
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,880
reach this point where the

1309
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,400
you know we've had 60 70 sort of topic

1310
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,720
saturation where then it where then the

1311
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,559
phenomenon like okay

1312
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,200
now humanity is like right there they're

1313
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,960
pretty much there you know

1314
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,680
okay

1315
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,920
oh yeah i think

1316
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,599
i mean i don't i don't have a crystal

1317
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,640
ball

1318
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,880
so and i'm not part of these these

1319
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:32,000
meetings

1320
00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:46,069
[Laughter]

1321
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,750
i do think that's what's happening

1322
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,440
though i mean look this is pure

1323
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,280
speculation i want to be clear and i

1324
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,720
don't mean that

1325
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,599
in

1326
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,880
a half-butted way or a half-assed way

1327
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,839
um

1328
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,559
i really mean i this is just my i have a

1329
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,640
i always have a latest working theory

1330
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,079
you can't help but your brain tells

1331
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,680
stories but i'm just i'm always keenly

1332
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,599
aware though it's just my latest working

1333
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,760
theory and so and it has changed over

1334
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:11,200
the years but but yeah i mean i think

1335
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,480
what's happening is just like what

1336
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,520
you're saying

1337
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,319
and i don't think louisando has i think

1338
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,920
he's made it pretty clear

1339
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,920
that's what's happening he says i still

1340
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,720
have

1341
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,119
security clearance i can't tell you

1342
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,880
everything i know um in in the press uh

1343
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,760
the

1344
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,240
oh my goodness why can't ufo congress

1345
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,559
when he gave the first rallying speech i

1346
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,240
think this was kind of his coming out

1347
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,559
before he hit the interview circuit i

1348
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,400
listened to that and then they make fun

1349
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,160
of me on the unidentified celebrity

1350
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,760
review for always bringing this up and

1351
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,599
like bragging about it

1352
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,680
but i did immediately kind of put a red

1353
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,720
flag

1354
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,280
in my brain with little zondo because he

1355
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,040
with his ufo congress speech and i

1356
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,559
decided i wasn't and then he started

1357
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,079
doing all these interviews and i decided

1358
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,000
i wasn't going to listen to any of them

1359
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,880
because i didn't want to be um i didn't

1360
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,400
know if he was

1361
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,640
i just didn't know yeah where he was

1362
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,040
coming from what he was gonna try to try

1363
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,040
to push right and now i'm kind of coming

1364
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,160
up the other side feel pretty good about

1365
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,240
where he's going he talks about roswell

1366
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,960
he talks about the darker things he he

1367
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,520
talks about aliens being actual

1368
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,760
you know being so it doesn't seem he's

1369
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,200
avoiding

1370
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,760
that's i think that's a good indication

1371
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,119
um but what but what uh lozano said in

1372
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,119
ufo congress i mean you made it very

1373
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,480
clear

1374
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,000
that um

1375
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,760
that all ufo videos that were going that

1376
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,720
would be released uh would be edited so

1377
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,640
don't ever expect that you're going to

1378
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,640
get a video that's not edited

1379
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:45,680
um if a video is declassified it went

1380
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,280
through a process to get declassified

1381
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,000
so it's not like these videos just are

1382
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,280
getting leaked by the pentagon there is

1383
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,230
yes and so we actually have to do the

1384
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,200
work i think with the foia requests and

1385
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,119
staying on top of it we want to continue

1386
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,040
to see things and just it's kind of

1387
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,880
implication there's way more

1388
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,880
and you know we're just going to keep

1389
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,200
and early on when tom delonge was

1390
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:15,839
talking um the conversations were really

1391
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,520
directed more toward ufo twitter and

1392
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,520
somebody who attends ufo congress and so

1393
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,520
they were getting deep into ancient

1394
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,040
aliens okay

1395
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,599
so that's where this is going

1396
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,280
i really believe this is where this is

1397
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,119
going and i also think this is where

1398
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,760
this is going because this is what

1399
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,520
um

1400
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,760
as i understand it

1401
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:39,359
the

1402
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,280
it's a it's a real group

1403
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,839
uh you know it makes you think of light

1404
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,800
bulb

1405
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,680
uh you can read in their books

1406
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:55,920
what they believe and and many of them

1407
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,880
are are in the military and we're

1408
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,359
covering up roswell

1409
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,000
so i think yeah that's where it's going

1410
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,559
uh lou said he has security clearance

1411
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,160
he's not really lying to us he's i can i

1412
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,839
can actually speak to i could speak to

1413
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,800
that

1414
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,520
so yeah he said he did admit to i don't

1415
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,599
know if it was andy or someone on one of

1416
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,839
the podcast that he's a contractor he

1417
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,400
won't say who he's working for and that

1418
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,520
right now gives him

1419
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,920
um how do i say this it gives him an

1420
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,599
active clearance

1421
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,559
that he can he can meet with people and

1422
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,280
have an active clearance like if he were

1423
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,240
not working for anybody he's still under

1424
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,440
nda

1425
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,280
until his clarity

1426
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,079
so for tssci you have five years

1427
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,760
after that runs out you need a

1428
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,160
reinvestigation the only way you can get

1429
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,559
a reinvestigation is if you're in a

1430
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,119
position as a contractor or a government

1431
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,319
official that requires tssci clearance

1432
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,319
based on whatever program that he's run

1433
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,040
into and i have no idea what that is so

1434
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,160
that's how that works his nda's forever

1435
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,160
regardless of if his clearance runs out

1436
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,079
his nda's forever

1437
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,960
okay next thing i would say i agree with

1438
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,520
you on the well i would say this about

1439
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:14,720
lou

1440
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,319
we have actions and words right so

1441
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,920
actions are

1442
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,720
i did something and put myself in

1443
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,240
jeopardy

1444
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,839
for this cause and b you have people

1445
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,000
i've done nothing but i'm pontificating

1446
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,559
on ufo twitter about this cause

1447
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,520
lou unless you find that this entire

1448
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,280
thing is a grand conspiracy which

1449
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,160
doesn't befit him going in garnering

1450
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,559
international partnerships

1451
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,160
you know with the united states and

1452
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,000
going to brazil and going to chile and

1453
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,480
going to mexico and san marino and all

1454
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,000
this stuff

1455
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,440
he him leaving the government early

1456
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,480
causes him to lose a big chunk of his

1457
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,359
retirement if he stayed long enough

1458
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,200
to get to earn at least

1459
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,040
i think it's ten years it might be a

1460
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,559
little less

1461
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,720
to be able to earn a retirement and he

1462
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,559
would have left by the time he started

1463
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,200
and when he left he was probably pretty

1464
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,400
close to that

1465
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,680
that takes huge cojones to do that when

1466
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,359
you have a wife and children there's

1467
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,000
very few i can't think of a person on

1468
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:22,000
ufo twitter that's done something like

1469
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:22,720
that

1470
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,079
gs 15 makes in the government in today's

1471
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,599
money i mean he'd be

1472
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,760
you know in 150 but here's what i would

1473
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,200
say to that

1474
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,640
you feel that way because that's what

1475
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,640
liaison tells you right

1476
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,000
yes

1477
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,559
right and i and i and i and i'm right

1478
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,160
there with you i don't i don't get these

1479
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,839
heebie gb vibes from him i definitely

1480
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,599
get vibes he knows things

1481
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,880
i don't know

1482
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,119
i get that look in his eye yeah but i

1483
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,119
don't i don't get yeah i don't get the

1484
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,599
heebie-jeebie you know you're a bad guy

1485
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,599
vibes i really don't um

1486
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,040
but i don't mind people who do because

1487
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,760
what would be what's wrong with us

1488
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,160
if everything no no but if everything

1489
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,200
that we know about ufos

1490
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,960
the the main thing that we know more

1491
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,400
than aliens are visiting is the

1492
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,599
government has been lying to us about

1493
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,280
this from the beginning and louis

1494
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,599
zondo's history's counterintelligence

1495
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,119
one of his job titles actually literally

1496
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,119
i think included disinformation in it

1497
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,510
it would be stupid he knows about us

1498
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,160
it doesn't matter it's a government per

1499
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,839
official that knows more than you dj dj

1500
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,520
saying trust me oh a lot

1501
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,040
by milk

1502
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,880
and he knows more that i don't think

1503
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,480
it's

1504
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,440
naive to just trust him

1505
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,400
okay i i trust i have good feelings

1506
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:50,640
about him i guess you could say do trust

1507
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:51,440
him

1508
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,480
you know

1509
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,319
not even a neighbor i would say like a

1510
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,799
close family member or friend who i

1511
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,920
trust i don't know him even like i know

1512
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,000
you know luis on the unidentified

1513
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,920
celebrity review i don't know him as

1514
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,480
much as i know jeremy corbell

1515
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,040
who i've spent extended time with and

1516
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,280
seen behind the scenes and i am still i

1517
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,000
consider jeremy to be a friend who has

1518
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,599
supported me and a lot of other

1519
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,760
researchers and i've seen a lot of ultra

1520
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,400
honestly just downright altruism

1521
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,480
in him and i've shared that

1522
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,160
i know better

1523
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,280
though than to trust everything that he

1524
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,359
tells me because here's the thing

1525
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,280
he's getting information from other

1526
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,920
people who i don't know louis elizondo

1527
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,839
is getting information from people i

1528
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,880
don't know

1529
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,839
this whole idea that there's this person

1530
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,920
that we can trust

1531
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,559
to to bring us true disclosure i think

1532
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,319
that needs to go away

1533
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,720
and i think the fanaticism

1534
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,359
that i saw around louis sando

1535
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:57,760
was alarming to me

1536
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,280
it was scary to me not lou alzato

1537
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,240
the fanaticism around him was terrifying

1538
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,520
so i'm totally okay

1539
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,319
not trusting him i have to like bring it

1540
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,480
let me let me respond to your point i

1541
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,760
think um i do think uh that's healthy

1542
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,599
skepticism that you have

1543
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,599
so if somebody like me believes i

1544
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,200
wouldn't i wouldn't want them to be like

1545
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:23,280
that about jeremy too and i'm always the

1546
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,839
one defending

1547
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,799
jeremy because i go on podcasts and

1548
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,880
people will criticize him and i'll be

1549
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:30,799
like no he's a good guy but guess what

1550
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,470
i'm about to defend jeremy as well

1551
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,280
because i have great respect for jeremy

1552
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,760
and i really do too i've got nothing

1553
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,480
regard for mr carmel

1554
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,559
i might as well just go there right now

1555
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,200
anybody who thinks that every video that

1556
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,240
he gets from the navy hasn't been 100

1557
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,880
percent vetted by the navy and thinks

1558
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,119
that some cw2

1559
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,960
on one of these ships is sending that to

1560
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,200
jeremy i can tell you that you're that

1561
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,520
you're wrong without knowing without

1562
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,240
having actually first person knowledge

1563
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,319
every single video that he gets has been

1564
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,440
vetted and has been an authorized leak

1565
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,640
to him yeah from who i have no idea but

1566
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,880
anyone who thinks that someone it's all

1567
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,599
authorized for sure yeah yeah

1568
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,160
someone sent that to jeremy that person

1569
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,240
right now would be wearing orange and

1570
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,559
they'd be in fort leavenworth kansas

1571
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,520
and

1572
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,040
they'd probably be lifting on the prison

1573
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,599
yard right now mm-hmm so yeah that's all

1574
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,520
awful yeah and that's fine you know what

1575
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:35,599
it's faith

1576
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,520
we should just trust we just need to

1577
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,559
understand i i don't like

1578
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,480
we have i guess we have to trust each

1579
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,480
other okay so there's no there's no

1580
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,720
other choice well sure don't trust but

1581
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,799
be aware of your biases yeah but we just

1582
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,280
have to be aware that it is out of faith

1583
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,680
ultimately and it's it's really not

1584
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,280
coming from a place of proof because

1585
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,160
honestly the proofer tells us

1586
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,400
really the whole history of this you

1587
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,680
know tells us

1588
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,480
not to listen to really anybody honestly

1589
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:06,000
that's talking about this except for

1590
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,520
ourselves i think

1591
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,599
and like like you said i've spent time

1592
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:10,960
with jeremy so yeah my hunch is

1593
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,079
especially feels good about him um and

1594
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:16,240
if i spent more time with lulzando which

1595
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,319
is i'd probably feel the same way and

1596
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,000
that's what other people

1597
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,079
i know who i trust right who've said

1598
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:23,440
about him you know well there's

1599
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,799
something he was like you know i i was

1600
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,960
suspicious of him but then he spent some

1601
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,720
time with him and then

1602
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,240
i was like okay hey this is the real

1603
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,880
deal i like that he is talking about all

1604
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,079
the things

1605
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,760
he shouldn't be talking about i do

1606
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,760
really like that but i don't know where

1607
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,000
it's going and so i'm

1608
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,680
what twist in turn and bend in the road

1609
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,079
and so i just i want to be ready for

1610
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,400
that um because

1611
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
it's definitely going to be there's

1612
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:54,160
going to be the twists and turns there's

1613
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,520
going to be some there's going to be

1614
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,760
some surprises and

1615
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,559
i don't want to just fall down um or hop

1616
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:02,799
on whatever train

1617
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,440
like you guys shout along yeah

1618
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:08,000
jane yeah there's something existential

1619
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,720
here

1620
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:10,960
if unless you believe this is also a

1621
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,599
conspiracy then he and melon got those

1622
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,839
videos released and if those videos

1623
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,720
aren't released then me nathan and half

1624
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,359
the programs including luis and michael

1625
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,960
are not joining you in conversation

1626
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,200
right now half of us don't exist

1627
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,400
right so if you if you don't believe

1628
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,960
that those guys got that stuff released

1629
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,440
then hey okay you're a

1630
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,839
more skeptical than i am but to me

1631
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,920
that's something existent i don't think

1632
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,359
those guys could have gotten that

1633
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,119
released unless there were people that

1634
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,880
were okay with it getting at least of

1635
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,760
course

1636
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,079
that's a hundred percent yeah but they

1637
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:48,640
got it they got it in their hands

1638
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,680
i think it would have gotten out

1639
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,920
it would have gone out

1640
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:56,480
but they but they were

1641
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,589
right so hopefully luella zondo is like

1642
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:04,559
us

1643
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,960
get this out and so there's those that

1644
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:12,880
want to get it out he wants to get it

1645
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,280
out they're getting it out that doesn't

1646
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,640
mean she's going to want to get it out

1647
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:19,200
though that isn't that should be dinner

1648
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:20,160
but

1649
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,680
he i don't

1650
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,799
i don't think i'd be able to get

1651
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,880
anything good out of him the only kind

1652
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,640
of real chill

1653
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,799
cut you know only when i feel like you

1654
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,119
talk about things outside of ufos is

1655
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,400
when i feel like

1656
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,400
you can really see the real loo

1657
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,920
like the real trust you know like a

1658
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,880
person

1659
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,280
right so i think i think it would be fun

1660
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:41,359
to talk to him about just

1661
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,880
non-ufo things you know for a while

1662
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:46,880
i asked him why i'm like i want to talk

1663
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:51,040
about cars yeah myself

1664
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,799
yeah i talk about cuban culture i want

1665
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,119
to talk about cuban food i listed off

1666
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,880
all these things but uh i haven't heard

1667
01:02:02,549 --> 01:01:59,280
back from dan give me a call i want to

1668
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,559
talk to lou holmes with boys man

1669
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,760
yeah well i think it'd be a good

1670
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,119
conversation

1671
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,359
i mean to me i think that um

1672
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,119
what this

1673
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:10,960
this conversation brings to mind is that

1674
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,720
we need to do more of of stating our our

1675
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,400
assumptions and our biases in this

1676
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,680
conversation

1677
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,119
we need to be

1678
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,119
wary of any kind of hero worship i think

1679
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,920
that that's never a good thing um more

1680
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,680
often than not your heroes will let you

1681
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,839
down and you need to be prepared for

1682
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,240
that um that's just a mature

1683
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,760
approach that's an approach from

1684
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,680
experience it's not being cynical it's

1685
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,359
just it's just the way that people are

1686
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,359
every everybody is flawed but i think

1687
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,920
we'd all be better served whenever we're

1688
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:41,760
having conversation

1689
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,520
about this topic to to try to make known

1690
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,920
our biases and assumptions when we enter

1691
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:50,000
into that conversation because

1692
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,200
that allows

1693
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,039
the the participants in the conversation

1694
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,520
to know where we stand and to and we can

1695
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,760
better challenge each other i also think

1696
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,839
it's it's fair it's more fair to to to

1697
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,520
the subject you know what i get sort of

1698
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,440
irritated by and i don't know what your

1699
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,839
perspective is on this but you know as

1700
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,240
an observer to a lot of the um more

1701
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:11,119
well-known folks in ufo twitterland you

1702
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,640
know when there's like a beef you know

1703
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,240
that hits the street it's like

1704
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,839
somebody's somewhat upset with somebody

1705
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,520
else and it's like this big fight that

1706
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,000
kind of blows up about usually some

1707
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,160
stupid little detail that doesn't matter

1708
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,319
um you know that that kind of irritates

1709
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,440
me because i feel that um

1710
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,839
usually more often than not both of

1711
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,319
those parties are people that i think

1712
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,640
bring a valuable component to the story

1713
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,640
like they're both doing something really

1714
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,280
meaningful and helpful to this story i

1715
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,680
mean i could take a good example like

1716
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,240
you know john greenwald and and joe

1717
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,839
mermergia you know these guys are

1718
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:48,000
constantly just like butt butting heads

1719
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,599
and it's just like

1720
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,359
you know like i i like what john

1721
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,359
greenwald does and i like what joe does

1722
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,039
i don't agree with both of them you know

1723
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,640
100 of the time and that and that's

1724
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,240
probably where most people are and but

1725
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,400
to see them kind of beef on the on the

1726
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,760
on the streets if you will the virtual

1727
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,839
streets is kind of annoying because

1728
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:05,520
from my perspective

1729
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,559
uh they represent um in some ways kind

1730
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,200
of like extremes of the spectrum right

1731
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,960
but but the spectrum itself is what is

1732
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,119
important so i need i need folks that

1733
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,559
are on the extremes i need folks that

1734
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,920
are in the middle i need folks that are

1735
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:19,839
you know kind of in the in the moderate

1736
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,640
ends of those extremes if i have people

1737
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,799
that that are laid out across that

1738
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,440
spectrum then i have a healthy

1739
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,760
uh have a healthy community you know and

1740
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,039
that that's really what we need to

1741
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,119
foster is a healthy community that can

1742
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,799
talk about this from lots of

1743
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,880
perspectives and and from a level of

1744
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,359
maturity that doesn't just jump to the

1745
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,520
latest you know whatever it is that so

1746
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:43,920
and so told me they can do no wrong you

1747
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,240
know whatever it is i think we have to

1748
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,920
approach this in a very careful way

1749
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:49,440
because as you said

1750
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,400
we

1751
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:53,520
even if some huge revelation

1752
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,559
is shared

1753
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,079
we're still not going to know the whole

1754
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,160
story i mean as i've said this before

1755
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,640
you know on a prior show with you know

1756
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,839
dj where

1757
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,160
if um

1758
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,079
if if an intelligence that is more

1759
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:08,880
intelligent than humans interacts with

1760
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,680
us

1761
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,640
yeah

1762
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,039
i mean i i'd like to think so please

1763
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,119
hopefully

1764
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,359
you know but but how would you

1765
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,839
how would we as human beings be able to

1766
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,680
know whether that is trustworthy you

1767
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:24,000
know we really

1768
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,960
trust

1769
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:27,520
has to be earned you know like there has

1770
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:30,799
to be a relationship built and thus far

1771
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:33,520
in the relationship of non-human

1772
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,000
intelligence and human intelligence we

1773
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,160
don't have a lot of trust guys there's

1774
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,240
not you know i wouldn't want to sit down

1775
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,000
at thanksgiving dinner with you know

1776
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,599
with with these folks because i don't i

1777
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,799
don't think i can trust them right now

1778
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,880
but what will it take to get that you

1779
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,720
know and that to me like that's when you

1780
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,280
start thinking about it once it becomes

1781
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,599
a the norm you know what are the things

1782
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,280
that need to happen to where we can

1783
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:57,839
really get to that point of mutual trust

1784
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,920
and respect uh because if we can't get

1785
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:02,240
there then we might as well be like

1786
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,680
you know my dog in the family you know

1787
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:07,520
waiting on the next meal it's gonna be a

1788
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,720
come to jesus moment it's gotta be um

1789
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,400
forgiveness

1790
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,720
so there could be a really pretty

1791
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,880
rainbow and sunshine's part of

1792
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:19,039
disclosure maybe that's

1793
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,119
the beginning part maybe that's the end

1794
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:23,599
part maybe it's throughout but i do

1795
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,000
believe eventually these

1796
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,599
uh

1797
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:29,520
what's the phrase in your what's in your

1798
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:30,640
closet

1799
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,720
this doesn't sound right but i guess

1800
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,000
because we're talking about ufos that

1801
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,079
sounds like skeletons skeletons i was

1802
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,240
like i think i'm taking like i think i'm

1803
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,319
taking that phrase and turning it into

1804
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,599
like ufo friendly phrase skeletons in

1805
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,039
the closet

1806
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,119
i do think they'll come out i don't

1807
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:51,760
think that we get to a place of

1808
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,440
truth until the truth or trust until the

1809
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:58,000
truth does come out and there is

1810
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,039
so there

1811
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,359
i think maybe what is happening right

1812
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,680
now is we're getting the public into a

1813
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,280
place where there could maybe be some

1814
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,720
amnesty

1815
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,760
and some understanding and

1816
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:10,640
i

1817
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:18,480
government and probably

1818
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,760
influence this cover-up and that sucks

1819
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,720
but i

1820
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,960
am guessing that most

1821
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,640
of the cover-up

1822
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:28,960
were people that were forced to sign

1823
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,160
things that were threatened that were

1824
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,680
faced with

1825
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,359
this ultimate

1826
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,440
question are we alone in the universe

1827
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:39,200
and they weren't allowed to talk about

1828
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,000
it

1829
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,079
and they just had to go about their life

1830
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,680
and you know

1831
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,079
go about their jobs and read science

1832
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,920
articles telling them that you know

1833
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,720
there's no aliens and so this can't be

1834
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,240
right and so that's

1835
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,119
just a whole mind f

1836
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,280
that i don't think a civilian can relate

1837
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,839
to and imagine too like really put

1838
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,559
yourself in luella's on those shoes so

1839
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,160
shout out lou you know if you're

1840
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,520
listening

1841
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,119
how does lou know

1842
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,599
the information he's getting

1843
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,400
is

1844
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,280
you know what photos or videos are you

1845
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,520
know authentic how does he know

1846
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:18,159
that there isn't some shady figure

1847
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,440
giving him

1848
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,679
incorrect information and trying to to

1849
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,239
throw him off the trail like that is

1850
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:26,239
just how this game

1851
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,839
has been played and that game ha

1852
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,279
as long as that game's still being

1853
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,880
played i don't believe that there's any

1854
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:34,080
trust

1855
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,880
and

1856
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,719
we're still kind of playing that game

1857
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,269
we're getting there because again lou

1858
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,359
does keep bringing up roswell he keeps

1859
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,440
he's not ignoring it i'm always a little

1860
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,920
bit suspicious i guess again though like

1861
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,679
you said nathan we all have our own

1862
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,839
roles right so

1863
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,359
nick west doesn't need i don't think

1864
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,120
mick west needs to go to

1865
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,040
to believe in skinwalker ranch be nice

1866
01:09:02,950 --> 01:08:59,040
if he went there i still think but he

1867
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,960
can be this the skeptic right uh

1868
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,719
yeah but we i mean we need we need

1869
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,520
balance and yeah just put yourself in

1870
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,759
the shoes you know of people who've been

1871
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,759
briefed or given information and then

1872
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,199
they had to consider the national

1873
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:15,440
security implication and would you be

1874
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:18,159
able to make that decision and also

1875
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:19,440
consider

1876
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,400
um this and this is i think the deep

1877
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,239
original sin

1878
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,199
and it's not just ufos right when one

1879
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,120
group of people decide that they know

1880
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:30,799
it's best

1881
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,400
for the masses and they decide okay i

1882
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,640
this truth is too much um i don't know

1883
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:38,400
how to process this so it's like a

1884
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,520
parent that doesn't know how to process

1885
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,520
something and doesn't talk about it with

1886
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,199
their kid right and here's the thing

1887
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:45,920
it's one thing not talk about something

1888
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,880
but there's look there's a sin lying

1889
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,000
about it

1890
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:51,759
and that was wrong

1891
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,880
and

1892
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,719
it was just it was wrong i'm not saying

1893
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,880
that it wasn't well intentioned

1894
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,080
and i'm not saying there's still people

1895
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,760
that are like we did you know we did the

1896
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,920
right thing you know we protected you we

1897
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,679
saved your lives

1898
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,480
right but but telling people that aliens

1899
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,360
that you are alone in the universe

1900
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,719
that was wrong and it led to lie after

1901
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:14,800
lie after lie to where the science

1902
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,560
community is so isolated

1903
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,719
and so the mainstream public science

1904
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,320
community that's supposed to educate my

1905
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,520
son

1906
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,600
right that's supposed to cure diseases

1907
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,040
for me treat me

1908
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:29,600
has been deprived

1909
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,800
of some of the most important knowledge

1910
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,400
and not only that

1911
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,080
they weren't deprived they actually

1912
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,719
often tried to seek it out and proved it

1913
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,520
and were threatened and were covered up

1914
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,360
and lost their jobs

1915
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,000
that was wrong it put all humanity

1916
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,239
behind not just in america

1917
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,800
and that was the mistake

1918
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,800
and people will need to apologize for

1919
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,800
that mistake now i believe that there

1920
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,640
should be forgiveness

1921
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,719
i don't have this vengeful spirit of

1922
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:00,560
sending people to jail i don't know what

1923
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:01,840
i would have done

1924
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,560
right if i was in that situation

1925
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,440
right yeah um so i don't i don't think

1926
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,560
we have to focus on the evilness of it i

1927
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,080
do think there's those guys there's

1928
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,480
definitely those psychotic characters

1929
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,159
who's you know manipulating the rest of

1930
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:18,239
us right and that that's the problem is

1931
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,440
you just you have those little

1932
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,960
individual

1933
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,320
um

1934
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,239
people that mess it up those rotten

1935
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,400
apples that mess it up for the rest of

1936
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,000
us but because the rest of us are just

1937
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,600
full of so much fear

1938
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,600
um what if this information gets out

1939
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,440
they can't handle it

1940
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,440
it's gonna be worse if this information

1941
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,520
gets out than if we let it out that that

1942
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,880
kind of fear

1943
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,960
rules us and i think that's just what we

1944
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,440
saw happen to our intelligence community

1945
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,199
and i think too it's like you have cia

1946
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,360
that has some information and fbi has

1947
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,280
some information and nsa has some

1948
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,760
information and nobody knows who has it

1949
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,280
all and they're all competing and i

1950
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,440
don't think that was

1951
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,120
i know that there were reasons i don't

1952
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,320
know about

1953
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,320
for a while that compartmentalization

1954
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,159
exists but also i mean i've

1955
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,040
this is before america i mean the idea

1956
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:07,199
of secrecy is not something that the

1957
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,679
american government made up i mean uh

1958
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,159
you can uh what's that the art of war i

1959
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,159
mean that's an amazing read that's a

1960
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:15,920
really short read people should read

1961
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:18,400
that as we go into disclosure

1962
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,040
so um deception is

1963
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,120
human nature so even though i'm not in

1964
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,600
those meetings and i don't know

1965
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,600
i'm glad i don't know

1966
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,040
a lot of the national security stuff i

1967
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,040
know how deception works i know how

1968
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,320
lying works so i know how this works

1969
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,760
yeah i just want i just want to say

1970
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:37,280
because i want to show you that even

1971
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,480
though i

1972
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,560
came from that side and you're coming

1973
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,679
from this

1974
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:43,199
this side we're meeting in the middle

1975
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,360
here right because i i agree with you

1976
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:47,760
about everything you just said about the

1977
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,199
lying and the you know people's careers

1978
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,719
ended people were threatened i i i agree

1979
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,480
with you on that so

1980
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,239
but i have you know i should disclose

1981
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,159
this nathan i think it was almost like

1982
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:02,239
nathan's like uh when he said you know

1983
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:03,920
people should come to this and disclose

1984
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,560
their bias i should i should disclose

1985
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,360
mine but i still i agree with you

1986
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,120
because i i actually will disagree i

1987
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,960
disagree with nathan in the chat here is

1988
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,480
that i really don't think we should be

1989
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,400
in the extremes i really think that's

1990
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,239
the wrong place to be just like that's

1991
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,320
the wrong place to be as an american i

1992
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:22,000
think we actually should look to come

1993
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,440
towards the middle

1994
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,880
and that's what you and i are doing

1995
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,560
right now jane there's a little bit of

1996
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,560
this and there's a little bit of that i

1997
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:29,840
believe yeah

1998
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,320
i believe lou existentially proved

1999
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,239
certain things and helped and and

2000
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,080
christopher helped certain things to

2001
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:38,560
happen that gave us

2002
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,239
a new world to talk about especially

2003
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:44,239
and at the same time i agree with you

2004
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:45,360
about

2005
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,550
very untoward things that that went down

2006
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,120
in terms of people as you said

2007
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,280
you stated it people being threatened

2008
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,760
people's careers ending people being

2009
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,480
threatened that their careers would end

2010
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,560
or how about how about all of our

2011
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,080
children

2012
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,000
growing up in a world where they're

2013
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,520
being lied to about being alone in the

2014
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,159
universe do you think that stunts

2015
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,040
your uh imagination doesn't i think it

2016
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,600
stops just about every bit of scientific

2017
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,760
progress and we did our american

2018
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,040
government apparently starting in

2019
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:23,199
roswell did that to the entire

2020
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:24,080
world

2021
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,360
yeah that's a great that's actually

2022
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,600
that's i've never thought

2023
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,239
it's it's absolutely awful and that's

2024
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:32,960
why a single group of people

2025
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:37,920
don't get to to lie to the world

2026
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,360
that's not a truth that belonged to them

2027
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,679
just to them but in fairness the rest of

2028
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,199
the world i mean you don't see the

2029
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,880
russians coming out talking about what

2030
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:48,960
they have yes you do

2031
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,159
there's so much uh ufo coverage in the

2032
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,560
russian media it was actually

2033
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,960
really um that's where i would find the

2034
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,040
best stories back in the day

2035
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,960
but they're not showing what they've got

2036
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,280
oh the russian disclosure the government

2037
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,280
oh yes oh yes you're right you can talk

2038
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,920
today is different today it's totally

2039
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,400
different you are totally right you're a

2040
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,880
100 percent you're saying oh yes

2041
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,120
look at what we've got nobody is such a

2042
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,840
united states doing it yes oh no you're

2043
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:18,840
right

2044
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,280
different world so what i'm talking

2045
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,600
about before is pre this is what i mean

2046
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:27,920
where the forgiveness has to happen

2047
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,239
this has to come out this this mistake

2048
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,640
that was made that had such an effect

2049
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,800
you know on not just americans but the

2050
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,040
whole world right and you know set us

2051
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,199
back that original you know and other

2052
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:43,199
governments did it too

2053
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,040
now yes we have new this new group of

2054
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:50,159
military members who didn't have to

2055
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,920
do that cover up who didn't have to

2056
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,320
participate in it right and they have a

2057
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,679
chance now

2058
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,560
to

2059
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,480
talk about this but there's no way that

2060
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,080
stuff doesn't come up

2061
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,719
um i just think that history is going to

2062
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,560
come out and that the question was how

2063
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,400
do we get to that ultimate place and

2064
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,920
trust do you think about any family

2065
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,480
member or friend you get there

2066
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,640
if somebody makes a mistake and they lie

2067
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:13,840
to you they got to tell you the truth

2068
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,560
for a while before you trust them

2069
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:18,640
i mean that's just that's how it goes

2070
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,920
right i agree i i i know but i mean the

2071
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:24,080
brazilians did it with vargin my wife's

2072
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,600
from my wife uh spent her entire

2073
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,360
youth and into her twenties in brazil

2074
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,080
and had no idea about virginia

2075
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,840
what james fox is down there looking at

2076
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:35,120
now she's like

2077
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,560
never heard of that yeah no you're

2078
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,239
totally right about that yeah i totally

2079
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,400
agree other governments did it too other

2080
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,640
governments did it too

2081
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,560
in fact i think i think i'm

2082
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,920
i hate to say this actually we're going

2083
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,760
to go back to your point

2084
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,080
i i think that james fox said that

2085
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,000
american agents showed turned up in

2086
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,960
brazil at some of the sightings only

2087
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,920
surprised

2088
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,159
yeah i think i think

2089
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,920
i think i saw that right did you ever

2090
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,920
see that nathan yeah they said all

2091
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,840
american agents came one of the ones

2092
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,440
that was on the lake

2093
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,440
where the uh

2094
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:09,760
i heard him mention something about

2095
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,880
men in suits who had come to

2096
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:15,360
speak to the mother of some girls that

2097
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,920
saw the being

2098
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:18,880
and

2099
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,880
of cash

2100
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:23,760
to

2101
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,120
kids saw like

2102
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:29,199
to her kids like no you didn't see that

2103
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,560
like you were crazy it wasn't that at

2104
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,640
all and like just take take this money

2105
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,080
and it was enough money apparently this

2106
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,679
is according to him it's enough money

2107
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,679
that they could have like relocated to

2108
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:39,120
another country like it was a lot of

2109
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,920
money and she she turned it down

2110
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,960
um

2111
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,120
so interesting he did say that that one

2112
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,800
of the men spoke portuguese but the

2113
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,880
others i mean it wasn't clear maybe that

2114
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,159
they did or not

2115
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:52,480
um so i'm not entirely sure if they were

2116
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,360
you know

2117
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:55,120
from the us or whatever

2118
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,320
um but you know look i mean this is it

2119
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:00,719
is the greatest story right it is the

2120
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,520
it's the greatest story in in human

2121
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,040
civilization

2122
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,199
and and and and here's the other thing

2123
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:09,199
too right so we're at a point in our

2124
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:10,800
history

2125
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,760
at least now where

2126
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:15,040
the

2127
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,480
our our civilizations are starting to

2128
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:22,480
dissolve you know so the the stories

2129
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,840
that have sustained the great

2130
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,760
civilizations of the earth

2131
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,239
are are slightly different and they're

2132
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,280
dissolving they don't hold as much sway

2133
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,840
for most of the world's peoples any

2134
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,360
longer you know there are people that

2135
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,960
still believe in these things and that's

2136
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,360
fine and there are some who believe in

2137
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,199
them more ardently than others but we

2138
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,120
are reaching a point at which these

2139
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:45,920
ancient stories are dissolving and they

2140
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,360
hold less power than they once held and

2141
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:52,000
i think we are fairy now or yes we're

2142
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,679
getting rid of the tooth fairy so we're

2143
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,360
at this work

2144
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,520
yeah i hate to break it to you but we're

2145
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,280
crossing that we're crossing a threshold

2146
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,280
here you know and we are we are moving

2147
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:03,600
into a future where a new story must be

2148
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,480
told

2149
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,719
and a story that i think

2150
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,960
is going to be clearer

2151
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,880
than the stories that have preceded it

2152
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,040
now when i say that is that the stories

2153
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:14,800
that preceded it

2154
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,679
are have a lot of truth to them

2155
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,880
so that

2156
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,600
there's going to be a similar truth in

2157
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,239
the news story that existed in the old

2158
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,960
but the new story will be uh will be

2159
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,440
truer in a kind of cosmological sense

2160
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:31,920
right so it's not going to be you know

2161
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,640
as fantastical as these ancient stories

2162
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:36,960
were it will be truer and more sort of

2163
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,920
um

2164
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,640
uh harmonious with the way things really

2165
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,000
in fact are

2166
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,080
and and the power of that story coming

2167
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,239
back to what you said jane

2168
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,560
and and the power that stories have to

2169
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:50,480
transform knowledge

2170
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,440
like

2171
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,000
you think about the wright brothers and

2172
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,400
what they did on that rickety

2173
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,080
you know sort of pla

2174
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,159
playing out in kitty hawk and then

2175
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,320
within a matter of decades

2176
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,560
you know we're on the freaking moon i

2177
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,040
mean so that one event

2178
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:09,840
ignited all of this transformative

2179
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,159
knowledge not just in in in in space

2180
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,880
flight or or or you know flying just

2181
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,280
planes but but in so many industries in

2182
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,280
the world in technology et cetera like

2183
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:21,199
that one thing

2184
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,159
showed other people hey well we can do

2185
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,400
this you know yeah this can be done and

2186
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,239
we can do it we can do it better we can

2187
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,719
do it faster we can do more and and that

2188
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,560
that's where we are now so you take that

2189
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,040
one example and you extrapolate that out

2190
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:37,120
to what this story will do

2191
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:40,000
for the world and oh yeah the next

2192
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:42,400
centuries of our of our lives you know

2193
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,159
are going to look

2194
01:20:49,629 --> 01:20:47,040
like magical compared to what the past

2195
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,639
was like you know like completely

2196
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,080
unrecognizable to what what life looks

2197
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,840
like right right now and that these that

2198
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:56,000
that's the romantic notion that i cling

2199
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,800
to

2200
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,320
what will it do

2201
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:01,040
for our world i mean i think it it it's

2202
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:02,960
the sky is the limit right i mean i i

2203
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,679
was seeing uh i forget who said this but

2204
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,520
uh you know essentially if you take

2205
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,920
somebody if you were to take some take

2206
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,760
us you would take us if we were to go

2207
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,760
back 100 years and we were just to sit

2208
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,159
and provide a lecture to the brightest

2209
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,480
minds in the world 100 years ago and we

2210
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,199
were to say hey i'm from the future and

2211
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,440
this is what it's like you know

2212
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,000
i have a device that can do yada yada i

2213
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,679
can be anywhere in the world and use it

2214
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,239
i can uh i can do xyz you know our

2215
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,400
medicine can do this we've been to the

2216
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,320
moon we've been to mars we've been to i

2217
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,239
mean they would just look at you like

2218
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,880
you were an absolute lunatic you know

2219
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,199
like none of that would make sense uh it

2220
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,600
would seem impossible you know

2221
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,120
and and and that that's what the people

2222
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,520
who who had the ability the mental

2223
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,440
ability to imagine

2224
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:51,040
the things that weren't even real at

2225
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,639
that time that they lived but they had

2226
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,639
that a sense of what they could do even

2227
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:56,960
the sense of what they could do would

2228
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,400
not come close to what reality actually

2229
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:03,040
ended up being right so it's this it's

2230
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,800
the exact same principle you know and

2231
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,040
and in fact it actually compounds you

2232
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,800
know so as this is the power of

2233
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,199
technology so technology

2234
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,360
has a uh has a compounding

2235
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,159
impact on change right and so the more

2236
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,960
technology that is is discovered and the

2237
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,560
more that we have an ability to kind of

2238
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,760
harness

2239
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,600
these things the the more the

2240
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,679
exponential kind of growth that we can

2241
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,719
achieve

2242
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,800
and so it you know really truly a

2243
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,800
hundred years from now you know even if

2244
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,719
we're on the track right now exclude the

2245
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,600
conversation about aliens or whatever

2246
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,880
right the future's still gonna look

2247
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,040
bizarre too right that's the thing is

2248
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,199
you don't even have to invoke aliens

2249
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,679
anymore we're getting so advanced and

2250
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,760
fancy because there's like i mean

2251
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,840
artificial intelligence is the latest

2252
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,840
thing i've been i don't know why i

2253
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:52,159
wasn't more fascinated with it a long

2254
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,760
time ago

2255
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,600
but yeah i mean that i mean that's

2256
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,920
probably for another another show but

2257
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,239
that's exactly what you're saying i mean

2258
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:01,520
it does we don't even have to have

2259
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,159
aliens and it's gonna get really

2260
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:06,719
it's gonna get pretty crazy yeah

2261
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,760
no i can't be insane

2262
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,440
i can actually counter your point when

2263
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,400
it comes to powered flight

2264
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,600
so okay

2265
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:17,760
if you look at the right flyer

2266
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,280
in what was it 1903 and then you go to

2267
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:23,840
let's say 1958 when they were working on

2268
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:27,040
the sr-71 out at groom lake which is now

2269
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,880
area 51 and it's supersonic it flies by

2270
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,600
the exact same principle as the right

2271
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,480
flyer

2272
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,239
yeah but its capability is like

2273
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,600
exponentially

2274
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:42,229
but again i'm talking about powered

2275
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,120
flight

2276
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:45,120
it's the exact same principle now let's

2277
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:49,199
look today let's look at 1969 and today

2278
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,040
spacex uses the exact same technology

2279
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,880
right and someone pointed out on ufo

2280
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:56,639
twitter brilliantly the other day one of

2281
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,920
our our friends by the way i love you

2282
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,520
ufo twitter there's so many brilliant

2283
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,719
people there

2284
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
that have great ideas but someone said

2285
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:07,120
we're still using parachutes

2286
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:07,920
so

2287
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:09,520
in powered flight

2288
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,600
something like tic tac or gimbal or

2289
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,320
many of the sightings that probably jane

2290
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:19,760
has documented in her work is so far

2291
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,719
advanced that we haven't even

2292
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:24,400
we haven't even come close because we're

2293
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,360
still

2294
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,840
flying the exact same way

2295
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:29,360
right as the wright brothers flew in

2296
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,080
1903. a lot of people don't realize that

2297
01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:33,600
right and what but what it takes is it

2298
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,960
takes the scientific community

2299
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,520
legitimizing

2300
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,679
something new for the scientific

2301
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:41,920
community to go oh wait we actually can

2302
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,239
do this like you know like we could do

2303
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,840
anti-gravity like you're telling us

2304
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,679
telling us that that is a thing

2305
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:49,920
it's everything once you tell somebody

2306
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,040
that they can't do so i mean then yes

2307
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,120
it's not a debate anymore and that's all

2308
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,880
you're doing is trying to make the next

2309
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,360
anti-gravity and it's just a completely

2310
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,360
different discussion the hardest hurdle

2311
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,719
has been overcome

2312
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,639
it really has the hurdle of the mind the

2313
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,400
mental block yeah i think it's going to

2314
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,480
be overcome no matter what right whether

2315
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,800
or not everybody goes along with the

2316
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,639
alien theory

2317
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:14,560
right because the technology is going to

2318
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:15,600
be there

2319
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,440
sure and i think too i guess

2320
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,480
well

2321
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,560
yeah i guess that's a question huh but i

2322
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:23,920
guess we know that we're going to have

2323
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,040
the ai right we know nasa wants to

2324
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,199
colonize mars i mean i'd say this also

2325
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,199
goes to what we're saying here right

2326
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,120
this is going to happen regardless and

2327
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,560
this is why i say

2328
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,400
well if disclo if aliens are real and

2329
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,080
visiting and

2330
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,960
they know that um everybody's going to

2331
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,040
be on board with the technology or

2332
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:45,440
whatever that we're able to disclose

2333
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:46,800
right so

2334
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,239
nasa i like to remind folks had said

2335
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,920
in press conferences well they've been

2336
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,600
talking about colonizing mars for a long

2337
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,080
time they made posters like years ago i

2338
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,320
think 2011 posters of like people

2339
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,639
gardening on mars and stuff

2340
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,639
and they said

2341
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:04,880
that the time for finding e.t life is

2342
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,679
now

2343
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,560
and that is a ludicrous statement the

2344
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,040
only way you can't be saying oh we don't

2345
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,120
know that eta life is out there and

2346
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,639
could come here

2347
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:16,880
but we're gonna find it for sure in the

2348
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,840
next 20 years totally ludicrous the only

2349
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,679
way that you say something like that is

2350
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,280
if you already know

2351
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,880
that the life's out there

2352
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,480
and you know that now

2353
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,400
you're going to find it so there's been

2354
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,400
so many slips of the tongue of like the

2355
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:32,320
headline that's just like how

2356
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,120
like this is planting the scene yeah and

2357
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,520
there was another time um

2358
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:41,040
where i remember a nasa spokesperson um

2359
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,880
was talking about the i don't know if it

2360
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:45,120
was mars or venus does mars or venus

2361
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,480
they're talking about biological life

2362
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,239
forms being there in the past a present

2363
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,159
he said something like we are not

2364
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:52,800
rolling out that theory yet

2365
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,960
so it's like did you i think you i think

2366
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,960
you just goofed and

2367
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:58,800
you thought you were in a meeting

2368
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:01,600
uh with you know not talking to just as

2369
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,560
civilians so i mean nasa

2370
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:06,880
you know nasa is a public space program

2371
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,360
yeah uh right that's obviously gonna

2372
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,440
going to play a big role in this and and

2373
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,800
they're they've been predicting

2374
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,960
everybody has their um

2375
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,320
cash in this

2376
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,159
everybody's invested in this it's

2377
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,080
definitely happening you know whether or

2378
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,159
not everybody

2379
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:24,719
is invested in the alien theory i mean

2380
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:28,159
it it is happening right yeah

2381
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,360
yeah um

2382
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,040
jane i actually have a question about

2383
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,320
you about that i'm very curious because

2384
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,920
and this is particularly relevant

2385
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,400
because you've been studying this topic

2386
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,199
longer than uh most of us definitely

2387
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,800
longer than nathan and i by 25 miles

2388
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,920
um what is your thoughts on

2389
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:49,520
what percentage like do you have a

2390
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,639
feeling of well i think uh i'm really

2391
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:54,560
more bought into the theory that there's

2392
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,120
something that's already been habit uh

2393
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,800
inhabiting the planet and then it

2394
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,320
reveals that

2395
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,239
that intelligence will reveal itself

2396
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:03,840
when it wants to

2397
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,520
uh and then or do you think it's more

2398
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,120
you know what do you think the blend is

2399
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:11,040
if i were to ask you that and then the

2400
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,560
last question i'm going to ask you after

2401
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,080
this one is going to be about anjali so

2402
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,400
i don't want to let that go okay but but

2403
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,159
if you would if you would uh what do you

2404
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,000
think the mixture is the the percentage

2405
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,239
blends so on so forth

2406
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,000
yeah and i want to say i don't think i'm

2407
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:26,639
more of an expert on i mean yes i've

2408
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:28,000
been studying your photos for a while

2409
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:29,520
but i mean if you're a pilot you

2410
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:32,960
understand how an aircraft works like

2411
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,719
gazillion times more than me oh but then

2412
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,040
that's a lot that but that adds a whole

2413
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,280
other expertise around you know

2414
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,360
unidentified flying objects let me just

2415
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,840
say that so i'm just bringing what i can

2416
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,000
to the table um

2417
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:49,840
yeah i mean like what's my latest you

2418
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,159
know working theory you know it's really

2419
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,679
interesting because

2420
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:55,120
even though i

2421
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,440
the older cases of the grays and the

2422
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:59,280
physical contacts from the past and

2423
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,040
roswell were really compelling to me in

2424
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:03,440
cases like um zimbabwe and stuff really

2425
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,560
compelling

2426
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,560
most of the abduction reports

2427
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,880
that i get are like there's no physical

2428
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:10,719
evidence and it's just like people

2429
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,480
experienced in a dream or almost like um

2430
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,719
or in a dream like state right and so

2431
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,000
even though i knew people were telling

2432
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,600
the truth

2433
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:21,760
no matter how many rapport i would read

2434
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,840
saying like the same kind of thing i

2435
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,920
still kind of would doubt it because

2436
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:27,679
i've just never had that experience and

2437
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:30,560
it just seems so hard to believe but

2438
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:31,440
i'm

2439
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:34,800
getting closer to a place of acceptance

2440
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,120
um where okay this is what it would

2441
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,920
probably look like i mean this is

2442
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:41,600
what it would be like it would be a

2443
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,800
confusing

2444
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,360
mysterious experience

2445
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,920
that wouldn't have necessarily this

2446
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,679
clear story or

2447
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,280
physical evidence and it would have an

2448
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,040
effect too on witnesses that would

2449
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,440
actually might even make it hard

2450
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:57,600
to talk to them about it um because more

2451
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,400
i've

2452
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,880
tried to learn about the phenomena and

2453
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,719
explored i'm really interested in

2454
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,880
psychology so i've got a lot of youtube

2455
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:07,280
degrees so

2456
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:08,400
i have

2457
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,120
read a lot about different mental

2458
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:17,760
illnesses and there is look we have to

2459
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:20,320
be honest there's some overlap with

2460
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:21,440
things that people experience with

2461
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:22,960
different mental illnesses and and

2462
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,560
things that overlap with people that

2463
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,320
experience like anomalous things things

2464
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:31,040
like that so we have to acknowledge that

2465
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,560
but that's

2466
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,360
it's not black and white like that

2467
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,120
um perception is not black and white

2468
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:39,440
like that and that overlap there might

2469
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:41,199
actually be something to that

2470
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,560
um

2471
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:44,560
that's a little unsettling kind of hard

2472
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:46,400
to get into

2473
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,600
right different people perceive

2474
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:49,760
different things

2475
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:52,719
ufos might be hard to perceive so

2476
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,159
we're all kind of having our personal

2477
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,679
experience with this and i've kind of

2478
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,239
learned to accept that and so i guess

2479
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,159
that was a long answer

2480
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:03,120
but as time goes on yeah i'm more and

2481
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:04,239
more

2482
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,679
believing that that stereotypical grey

2483
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:09,120
alien

2484
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:10,960
is real and that there might be

2485
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,600
different kinds and um

2486
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:15,280
i i've heard people talk about them

2487
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,920
being android biologically androids that

2488
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:19,760
make sense with

2489
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:22,560
a lot of the reports so i'm

2490
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,880
yeah i kind of think that yes roswell

2491
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:27,120
was exactly what we think it was

2492
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,719
you know it's so funny the skeptics love

2493
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:32,080
to say well don't um occam's a razor the

2494
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:34,000
simplest explanation is always the right

2495
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,520
one well number one that's not a

2496
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,840
scientific theory yeah whatever they're

2497
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,520
just still saying

2498
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,280
but they make your apply

2499
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:44,080
they never apply it to things like raw

2500
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,520
as well they always throw it out

2501
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:47,760
whenever there's an alien or ufo

2502
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:50,480
sighting you can never just believe the

2503
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:53,920
basic story so i'm coming just to terms

2504
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,080
with that and

2505
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:58,719
obviously you know my mind can change

2506
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:01,120
but uh yeah i think the grays are real i

2507
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:02,000
think

2508
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,639
there was a spacecraft that crashed in

2509
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,400
roswell maybe it was like with the tic

2510
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:08,080
tac ufos today where we were

2511
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:09,920
anticipating it and we even set up a

2512
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:12,800
whole top secret military project

2513
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,000
right alongside project mo mogul you

2514
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:17,920
know that we were summoning it for all

2515
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,560
we know and then we could use that for

2516
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:23,199
all we know so yeah i do think that was

2517
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,280
the start of the secrecy at least for

2518
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,679
sure that was definitely the start of it

2519
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,360
and we're you know living with that you

2520
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,120
know to this day

2521
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:32,880
i think with the the tic tac i think

2522
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:35,280
what happened was when kevin and company

2523
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:36,560
saw it

2524
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,840
and down i don't think they didn't know

2525
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,679
that that's what's going on yeah

2526
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,679
that no i'm saying is i don't think they

2527
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:47,679
knew that it was going to turn up in

2528
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:49,520
that certain area that it turned up and

2529
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:52,000
since they had uh what's his name dave

2530
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,679
and alex out there they said okay we're

2531
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:55,520
going to go intercept and get what we

2532
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:58,159
would call vis-obs get eyes on i see it

2533
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,440
on a sensor

2534
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,199
well that's great i see it on phased

2535
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:03,199
array radar can i actually see with mark

2536
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:05,360
one eyebrows and

2537
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:06,080
the

2538
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:13,920
is is i was a planner i used to plan

2539
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,159
exercises in missions and stuff is i

2540
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:18,880
would not turn loose somebody into

2541
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,440
somebody else's working airspace

2542
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:22,800
without them knowing about it because

2543
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,120
that's how class a accidents happen

2544
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,360
people will run into each other somebody

2545
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:29,120
gets killed and the next thing you know

2546
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,000
we're up before quartz marshall and

2547
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,639
a lot of bad things happen so

2548
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,560
so if you were going to set something

2549
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:38,080
like that up or if i were going to set

2550
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:40,480
up training like tic tac if i if i were

2551
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,679
in that program i would ask the navy j3

2552
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:46,159
at the pentagon to get me x amount of

2553
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,440
crews two f a 18s i'm going to give you

2554
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,360
a squawk and a call sign to get into

2555
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,360
area 51 and you're going to be there for

2556
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:55,120
two weeks and we're going to fly and

2557
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:56,320
we're going to intercept and we're going

2558
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,920
to do this so we're going to do that and

2559
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,440
then we're going to have you sign your

2560
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,520
ndas we're going to cut you loose

2561
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:03,440
back to your your mission and that's

2562
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:05,120
that and will threaten the hell out of

2563
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,320
you but i wouldn't just turn my object

2564
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,199
loose in their working airspace and see

2565
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,679
what happened right yeah dave nearly hit

2566
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,360
the thing yeah

2567
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:17,120
and dave would have been killed now

2568
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:18,639
you've got an air wing commander that

2569
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:21,120
was killed and you got some guy in a sap

2570
01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:22,320
somewhere having an answer and that

2571
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,239
makes sense you would set that up in

2572
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:26,000
china lake or dugway there's a whole

2573
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:27,520
bunch of training areas where you can do

2574
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,159
that so i tell people so my sliver of

2575
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,040
expertise is very limited to evaluating

2576
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,280
something that flies once someone tells

2577
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:37,280
me it's real then i could start

2578
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,760
analyzing it that's pretty relevant

2579
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,920
but that's it i mean that and i know a

2580
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:43,440
little bit about how government the

2581
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:45,280
government works outside of that i'm

2582
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:47,440
just a dude on ufo twitter

2583
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,679
you know that's the only area but uh

2584
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,840
what i was going to say to you that i

2585
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,239
you mentioned in there the last bit

2586
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,880
about anjali and nathan and i have

2587
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:58,800
discussed this and we've had some

2588
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:02,159
fascinating discussions uh uh estee

2589
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:05,840
lampie in 1947 uh she came on here and

2590
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:08,960
gave some brilliant points about uh

2591
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,360
about anjali uh and you'll when you see

2592
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:13,760
her ufo glasses jane you'll you're going

2593
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:15,600
to fall in love with this girl

2594
01:35:22,149 --> 01:35:19,199
so smart and so analytical um

2595
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:22,159
but there's no corollary with which we

2596
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:24,080
can relate to what anjali said and i

2597
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,719
think that's what you alluded to earlier

2598
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,320
is that if you're gonna have an

2599
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,000
experience like that and you're gonna

2600
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,639
then uh talk about it in public there's

2601
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:34,639
no there's nothing to compare that to

2602
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,960
there's no correlation oh yeah okay i

2603
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,040
get it i mean nobody can get it except

2604
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,760
for like terry lovelace and and what's

2605
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:43,679
my man over there in north carolina's

2606
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:46,400
name uh ryan uh

2607
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,159
bledsoe so yeah i'm sorry go ahead

2608
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:52,080
so yeah yeah

2609
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:53,600
how do you analyze

2610
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:57,040
uh you know anjali's uh experience

2611
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,560
yeah so

2612
01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:00,239
i don't know if i can speak to anjali's

2613
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:01,440
experience

2614
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:04,480
uh too too well you know specifically

2615
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,760
but

2616
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:07,679
yeah so when i did

2617
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,400
go down that psychology i still am

2618
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,239
always trying to learn about psychology

2619
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,239
and things um

2620
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:16,080
so i can see how that could relate to

2621
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,600
people's experiences i mean one of the

2622
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,360
things that you learn is that when

2623
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:20,880
somebody has

2624
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,080
excuse me a traumatic experience

2625
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,239
the brain does really

2626
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:28,560
incredible things

2627
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:31,840
um and so we're talking about

2628
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:34,880
an experience of alien contact

2629
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,199
that would be could potentially be the

2630
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,600
utmost traumatic especially you know if

2631
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,960
we're to believe a lot of these

2632
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,719
abduction reports right where there's an

2633
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,719
examination and

2634
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,880
um i mean all kinds of stuff right

2635
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:48,960
sounds pretty terrifying so what we

2636
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,520
would expect um to happen i'm not a

2637
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:53,600
psychologist i'm not at this therapist

2638
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:54,480
guys

2639
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,119
please go verify you are yes but what i

2640
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,440
understand is that when you

2641
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,119
yeah

2642
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:02,800
when you go through a traumatic

2643
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:04,800
experience like that your brain can do

2644
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,880
all kinds of amazing things it can well

2645
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,639
obviously it can repress it completely

2646
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:10,960
so that you don't remember it and you it

2647
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:13,440
doesn't affect you know your day-to-day

2648
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:14,880
reality

2649
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:15,920
um

2650
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:20,560
can actually cause

2651
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,639
your personality

2652
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:24,239
to um

2653
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:25,840
if people have heard of things like

2654
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,800
multiple personality and did and things

2655
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:30,400
like that i mean that

2656
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:33,520
that's um you know rare to happen

2657
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,709
imagine you know somebody with the id

2658
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:40,960
trying to tell you about a ufo they saw

2659
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,199
so we need to i think

2660
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,360
and i mean no disrespect to any

2661
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:47,679
experiencer i'm not saying that you're

2662
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,119
crazy please don't don't um assume that

2663
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:53,760
but just in a big contact might be a

2664
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,920
traumatic experience especially if it's

2665
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,920
happening multiple times

2666
01:38:01,510 --> 01:38:00,000
and so just how would you talk to

2667
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,520
somebody who's talking about

2668
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,760
child abuse how would you talk to

2669
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:05,920
somebody who's talking about um you know

2670
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:08,719
maybe they were robbed or you know they

2671
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,840
witnessed you know a horrible event like

2672
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:13,360
a murder or something or how would you

2673
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,440
talk to somebody a war veteran who is um

2674
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,119
talking about

2675
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,639
um

2676
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,239
you know losing fellow soldiers or

2677
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:24,080
something like that right so i'm just

2678
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,520
thinking i'm trying to think of really

2679
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,360
traumatic things that we can all relate

2680
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:29,679
to not well hopefully i i fortunately

2681
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,800
can't relate to a lot of those

2682
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:33,040
experiences but that we that are more

2683
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,080
human

2684
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:36,159
that we're prepared to right so when

2685
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:39,280
people say women say i've been

2686
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,159
raped or you know whatever we are

2687
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,360
trained to believe them right we're not

2688
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,880
we're not there yet

2689
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,119
you know with abductees and contactees

2690
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:50,880
and we don't listen to them i don't

2691
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,639
think with that perspective and so i'm

2692
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,639
trying to do that

2693
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,400
more and more

2694
01:39:01,510 --> 01:39:00,239
um so i can try and understand what's

2695
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:01,520
going on here

2696
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,159
um but yeah it's taken some time to just

2697
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:06,000
kind of accept that this is what this

2698
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,080
phenomenon looks like instead of just

2699
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,159
trying to deny it and

2700
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,400
you know debunk it it's it's a waste of

2701
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:14,239
time i think at this point i'm moved on

2702
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,760
i think

2703
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,280
from that one thing i'll tell you one

2704
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:20,080
thing you can relate to ufo jane yeah

2705
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,679
that's being cool

2706
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,280
oh

2707
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:25,360
from you guys yeah that's what i'm

2708
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,440
saying yeah and we want to have that

2709
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:28,960
must be cool

2710
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,199
yeah well obviously i mean you're

2711
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:32,719
completely validated just look at that

2712
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,199
shirt jane

2713
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:37,199
yeah i've got the stars and you've got

2714
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:49,030
all right

2715
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,480
so i'm back to goofy dj again uh man it

2716
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,560
was such a pleasure having you on ufo

2717
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,719
jane perhaps uh you'll join us for a

2718
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:58,239
round table we want to have your

2719
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,159
colleague on uh mr luis jimenez he have

2720
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,320
a great head of hair you notice no wig

2721
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,600
tonight

2722
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,840
right yeah that's yeah i was expecting

2723
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:10,000
that i mean i wanted i really wanted

2724
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:12,800
james to see the real me

2725
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,149
you guys are beautiful

2726
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:20,159
thank you yeah no but we

2727
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:21,760
i mean seriously had a wonderful

2728
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,480
conversation and and thank you for uh

2729
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,360
gracing us with uh your time i know it's

2730
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,880
i know you're very busy and they got a

2731
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,280
lot going on um tell folks you know how

2732
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:33,119
to find you i think you're way easier to

2733
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,800
find than we are but you know how do

2734
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:36,400
folks find you uh if they want to get to

2735
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,760
know more about what you're doing and

2736
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:38,960
what you're into

2737
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,600
yeah so so far i'm the only ufo jane so

2738
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,000
if you type that into youtube or google

2739
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:46,239
or you know you should find me but yeah

2740
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,520
um

2741
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,679
also if you're in texas though i do

2742
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:51,840
texas ufo sightings dot com and a

2743
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:54,239
facebook for texas ufos that's that's

2744
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,600
actually the biggest

2745
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,400
social media thing that i have going on

2746
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,840
but that's kind of more of the

2747
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,159
day-to-day sighting so you know check

2748
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,320
check that out text ufo's on facebook if

2749
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:06,239
you're in texas but otherwise

2750
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:07,520
ufoj

2751
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:10,560
awesome yeah excellent man well what's

2752
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,199
up

2753
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:13,119
dj you want to take us out

2754
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:16,159
yeah man i really appreciate uh ufo uh

2755
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,840
jane coming on like i said you know

2756
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,880
maybe a round table maybe with luis we

2757
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,560
can have two people that have great hair

2758
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:24,960
instead of just one it'll help offset me

2759
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,440
being part of the panel and then

2760
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:29,600
we could try to surround you guys with a

2761
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,639
a stimulating panel for yourselves uh

2762
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:34,880
but we really appreciate it so for ufo

2763
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,600
jane for nathan this is dj saying peace

2764
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:39,199
out

2765
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:40,560
one love

2766
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,639
and we'll see you down the road namaste

2767
01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:44,159
ufo gene

2768
01:41:49,460 --> 01:41:44,840
all